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#41 jis

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:26 PM

 

Another odd detail...on that relatively short hop, United served a full hot dinner to those of us in coach. It was my last full hot meal in coach on a domestic flight in the US, not counting the hot snacks that Continental insisted on calling "meals" until even they ditched the practice.


Did CO actually ditch it themselves? I thought the famous mystery meat sandwiches remained until the merger with UA? On the one hand they were terrible. On the other hand if you were stuck on planes all day sometimes it felt like a godsend to have anything larger than a peanut or pretzel.

 

CO ditched food in preparation for the UA merger.


Edited by jis, 05 March 2018 - 06:17 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:36 PM

My most interesting memory of post 9/11 flights was a flight from MSP-ALB in March of 2002.

I was flying in F (as a surprise upgrade from my cousin who worked in reservations for NW). The meal served in F was steak. I was served a metal fork, a metal spoon - and a PLASTIC knife! (Remember for awhile they did not allow metal knives on planes!) Did you ever try to cut a steak with a plastic knife?:huh:

That upgrade from that cousin is another memory. I had to be in STL for a convention, which ended early. So I had to change my reservation. So I called the NW 800 number. After all the prompts and the long wait “for the next available agent”, I was connected. I asked to change my flight from STL-MSP. The “next agent” happened to be my cousin - in TPA! :o This was really surprising since I didn’t even know she worked for NW, and also the last time I saw her was over 10 years before!
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Take the train instead and enjoy the ride!

The view is much better at 3 feet than it is at 30,000 feet!

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Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:46 PM

My most interesting post 9/11 flight was on 9/20 on a Virgin Atlantic flight from JFK to London Heathrow on the way to India on a family emergency trip. There were 8 of us on a 747. All were complementary treated to upper class, since there were more cabin crew than passengers!

 

But then the flight from London to Kolkata (British Airways) was completely full, and I somehow got comp upgraded to Y+, which on BA is a significantly different experience from Y. Apparently the rest of the world did not worry too much about their planes being attacked.

 

I was actually stuck in Toronto after 9/11 since everything was grounded. Finally we managed to drive back to NJ on Friday, crossing at the Rainbow Bridge in Niagara Falls in order to avoid endless lines of trucks stuck at the highway crossings.



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Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:22 PM

So long as this topic has evolved into one addressing "Fallen Flag aircraft, anyone here recall the Martin 404 ?

This one will stick in my memory, for it part of a "plane to train" joyride that ended up "plane to bus".

During 1965, when it appeared that Erie mainline passenger service was on life support, and as a last ditch effort the Erie Limited was rechristened the Phoebe Snow, and further, the Obs-Lounges had been resurrected, I was game to go. I had also never ridden over the Tunkhannock Viaduct in daylight.

The plan was to take a morning flight KLGA to KBGM and ride Miss Phoebe back to Hoboken.

Well, the Mohawk 404 "didn't feel well" that morning. "Just a short delay" (NAVAIDS IIRC) which of course turned to be anything but. Finally, we're gone, Absent EL #2 being late, "we weren't gonna make it", but on approach to Broome County, there was Miss Phoebe heading EW with the Obs.

GRRRRR!!!

Return was on a Trailways along NY17.

I flew a United Martin 404 from ORD to SBN in 1957.  The flight was about 45 minutes IIRC.



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Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:37 PM

The meal served in F was steak. I was served a metal fork, a metal spoon - and a PLASTIC knife! (Remember for awhile they did not allow metal knives on planes!) Did you ever try to cut a steak with a plastic knife?


Even though they do have metal knives again they're generally too dull to make for a decent cooked meat cutting utensil (IMO). Those metal forks and plastic chopsticks could mortally wound someone in a few seconds flat though. I've had tiny pinky sized hammers and pocket knives confiscated while much larger Leatherman devices with big folding knives were allowed through.  Makes no sense to me but whatever.  :blink:

 

My most interesting post 9/11 flight was on 9/20 on a Virgin Atlantic flight from JFK to London Heathrow on the way to India on a family emergency trip. There were 8 of us on a 747. All were complementary treated to upper class, since there were more cabin crew than passengers!

 

Had a similar situation with American Airlines on a 777 bound for Asia during SARS. Since there were barely enough passengers to fill a single row we were all offered complementary seats "up front" which was quite welcome and unexpected.  Right up until the moment we realized they were only referring to an identical coach cabin directly ahead of us. As disappointing and unnecessary as that silly charade was, looking back now it was kind of impressive to be casually faked out in the middle of a potential pandemic by a bunch of grumpy old flight attendants who couldn't care less.  I honestly don't recall any meaningful op-ups worth writing about here, although I have benefited from a few well timed VDB's.  My single best haul was a free upgrade to first class, $600 in flight credits, a free stay at a four star hotel, three free meals, and an amenity kit.  These days most of the time I'd rather just get where I'm going without any delays, but back when I was younger and more flexible VDB's were one of the best deal going for those who knew when to cash in.


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Posted 06 March 2018 - 05:13 PM

Baron von Richhofen flew in a Fokker Dr 1.  Does that count? :)

 

 

Actually, the 727 was enormously successful, over 1800 built, most of one family until surpassed by the 737 family. They were in mainline service in the US past 2000. As the A-320 and larger versions of the 737 became available with 2 engines and a 2 person flight deck they were replaced on a steady basis, but had close to a 40 year run on US mainlines.

 

Flown where and by whom?  Freight service 727's are not uncommon but I haven't flown, haven't seen, and haven't been offered a scheduled flight on a passenger 727 since the 1980's.  The 727 is very distinctive compared to other designs so it's pretty hard to miss by accident.  Presumably whatever passenger 727's remained into the 90's and beyond must have been relegated to airports I rarely visit and/or flown by charter airlines I never use.

 

 

I flew a passenger 727 on American from San Juan to Grenada in 1995.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 05:32 PM

 

 

Another odd detail...on that relatively short hop, United served a full hot dinner to those of us in coach. It was my last full hot meal in coach on a domestic flight in the US, not counting the hot snacks that Continental insisted on calling "meals" until even they ditched the practice.


Did CO actually ditch it themselves? I thought the famous mystery meat sandwiches remained until the merger with UA? On the one hand they were terrible. On the other hand if you were stuck on planes all day sometimes it felt like a godsend to have anything larger than a peanut or pretzel.

 

CO ditched food in preparation for the UA merger.

 

 

In 1984, I flew Continental from IAD to DEN. Breakfast was:  Yoghurt, a breakfast sandwich,  or fruit, pick 2.  UA was serving a full hot breakfast until at least 2002.



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Posted 06 March 2018 - 06:18 PM

UA stopped serving food in domestic Y a while before CO did. As I recall, CO was the only one left standing serving food of any sort in domestic Y after all the majors quit.



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Posted 07 March 2018 - 04:45 PM

UA stopped serving food in domestic Y a while before CO did. As I recall, CO was the only one left standing serving food of any sort in domestic Y after all the majors quit.

 

Well, serving "free" food, at any rate. I believe the other majors had already transitioned to buy-on-board by the time CO ditched their offerings. But yes, my memory is that CO held on to the old ways longer than anyone else.






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