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#21 Seaboard92

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:46 AM

Oh my god. I know that entire crew district and I've worked with them on PV moves for years. My god.
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Posted 04 February 2018 - 10:57 AM

What a disaster.

This is happening far too frequently, and only gives ammunition to those who want to defund amtrak.



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:11 AM

This was shared on another site, and no telling who the journalists source is so Im a bit hesitant to share it here. In any case:

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:11 AM

I hope those who are injured recover quickly.  It seems like Amtrak is doing everything they can to stop the public from taking trains.   Just one more stab in the chest. Hopefully this isn't Amtrak's fault. Unbelievable. 


Edited by inspiration100, 04 February 2018 - 11:12 AM.

I like Superliner trains, not a fan of the viewliner layout. Favorite route is the Coast Starlight.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:13 AM

 

This is happening far too frequently, and only gives ammunition to those who want to defund amtrak.

Perhaps they are correct! If we as a society are not willing to fund the RRs sufficiently (and I certainly include CSX et al. in this) at the bare minimum for safety maybe  it really is time to let US passenger rail go. There is such a tremendous backlog of deferred maintenance to make it work: just think tunnels bridges and catenary on the NEC - hundreds of billions of $$.



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:40 AM

Press Conference currently taking place.  Report seems to confirm that two Amtrak employees were the fatalities. Over 100 people taken to hospital.  Trains hit head on, not sure why yet.  One of the coaches/sleepers? seems to have buckled.  More coming from the governor and emergency personnel.

The buckled car is an Amfleet II Coach.



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:57 AM

Unconfirmed information 08:30 local time from a former colleague in Amtrak train/engine service that the fatalities are crewmembers.Prayers for the crews, passengers, and families.


Is that Amtrak or CSX crew?

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:57 AM

What horrible news to wake up to....

The train must have been going at close to full speed to have the force to buckle that Amfleet coach...horrible to even think about....my thoughts go to the crew, the passenger's and their families....


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:59 AM

Unconfirmed information 08:30 local time from a former colleague in Amtrak train/engine service that the fatalities are crewmembers.Prayers for the crews, passengers, and families.

Is that Amtrak or CSX crew?
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Posted 04 February 2018 - 11:59 AM

Id guess that this is 100% on CSX. Theyre responsible for switching and signaling. If this train ended up on a siding, thats not Amtraks fault.

I wish that the Feds would nationalize them. Theyre perhaps the worst railroad in the US.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:00 PM

What a disaster.
This is happening far too frequently, and only gives ammunition to those who want to defund amtrak.


I'm thinking the other way. It gives fuel to why Amtrak needs funding. Where is Joe Biden when we need him!

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:01 PM

Unconfirmed information 08:30 local time from a former colleague in Amtrak train/engine service that the fatalities are crewmembers.Prayers for the crews, passengers, and families.

Is that Amtrak or CSX crew?
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Not good, but thanks for the info.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:04 PM

What horrible news to wake up to....
The train must have been going at close to full speed to have the force to buckle that Amfleet coach...horrible to even think about....my thoughts go to the crew, the passenger's and their families....


From what I heard from someone, according to Amtrak's track my train the train was traveling at 32 MPH at the time of the incident.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:19 PM

What a disaster.

This is happening far too frequently, and only gives ammunition to those who want to defund amtrak.

 

..which is a crock...as I mentioned in the above post.


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:21 PM

 

What a disaster.

This is happening far too frequently, and only gives ammunition to those who want to defund amtrak.

 

..which is a crock...as I mentioned in the above post.

 

 

I don't think most of us disagree, but his point is probably correct.


I like Superliner trains, not a fan of the viewliner layout. Favorite route is the Coast Starlight.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:25 PM

 

What horrible news to wake up to....
The train must have been going at close to full speed to have the force to buckle that Amfleet coach...horrible to even think about....my thoughts go to the crew, the passenger's and their families....


From what I heard from someone, according to Amtrak's track my train the train was traveling at 32 MPH at the time of the incident.

 

 

I'm just reading it was going 59MPH...


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:28 PM


Press Conference currently taking place.  Report seems to confirm that two Amtrak employees were the fatalities. Over 100 people taken to hospital.  Trains hit head on, not sure why yet.  One of the coaches/sleepers? seems to have buckled.  More coming from the governor and emergency personnel.

The buckled car is an Amfleet II Coach.
Fortunately, it was actually an Amfleet II Cafe. The car appeared to split roughly down the middle, which is the location of the counter. As it occurred during the middle of the night, there would be nobody working there and no line, so the only way anybody would be there is if they were walking through which is unlikely considering there are coaches on one side and sleepers on the other. There likely could have been more fatalities had this occurred in a coach or in the cafe during a meal time when there tends to be a long line for the cafe car, especially on the Silver Star where that is the only food-serving car.
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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:40 PM


 
This is happening far too frequently, and only gives ammunition to those who want to defund amtrak.

Perhaps they are correct! If we as a society are not willing to fund the RRs sufficiently (and I certainly include CSX et al. in this) at the bare minimum for safety maybe  it really is time to let US passenger rail go. There is such a tremendous backlog of deferred maintenance to make it work: just think tunnels bridges and catenary on the NEC - hundreds of billions of $$.
While it may seem unsafe to take the train considering all the bad press lately, even during this time period the odds of being killed in an Amtrak crash are still extremely low. According the my calculations, if the time period was limited to December 18th-February 4th the odds of a passenger being killed in an Amtrak wreck are about 1 in 1,389,583 (Annual ridership divided by (365/number of days in time period) divided by number of passenger deaths). News reports tend to focus much more on train wrecks than car wrecks, as one train accident tends to injure more people than a car wreck. However, trains are still a much safer mode of transportation than cars.
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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:42 PM

 

 

Press Conference currently taking place.  Report seems to confirm that two Amtrak employees were the fatalities. Over 100 people taken to hospital.  Trains hit head on, not sure why yet.  One of the coaches/sleepers? seems to have buckled.  More coming from the governor and emergency personnel.

The buckled car is an Amfleet II Coach.
Fortunately, it was actually an Amfleet II Cafe. The car appeared to split roughly down the middle, which is the location of the counter. As it occurred during the middle of the night, there would be nobody working there and no line, so the only way anybody would be there is if they were walking through which is unlikely considering there are coaches on one side and sleepers on the other. There likely could have been more fatalities had this occurred in a coach or in the cafe during a meal time when there tends to be a long line for the cafe car, especially on the Silver Star where that is the only food-serving car.

 

 

There may have been some drunks and late-nighters still in the lounge, as the car itself stays open all night, but they would have been on one end or the other, likely the Coach end as the Conductors usually office on the Sleeper end.



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 12:44 PM

There are two damaged cars from what I can see from drone footage. The first car behind #42 is buckled. A small crunch visible in the top skin. The one I think is the cafe car was several back and it SNAPPED in half, bending about itself.

I'm surprised to only see one P42. I thought all Amtrak LD except the Texas Eagle had two locos.

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