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Amtrak Train 91-CSX collision in SC (2/4/18)/Liability issues


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#341 cpotisch

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Posted 16 August 2018 - 09:33 PM

The moment of impact. If you've never seen anything like it before, it will send chills down your spine!

 

Yikes. That's...something.  :unsure:


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 12:25 AM

The moment of impact. If you've never seen anything like it before, it will send chills down your spine!
 

Lots of sparks, would the wheels stopping combined with the HEP disconnecting lead to that type of sparks?

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Posted 17 August 2018 - 10:19 AM

 

The moment of impact. If you've never seen anything like it before, it will send chills down your spine!
 

Lots of sparks, would the wheels stopping combined with the HEP disconnecting lead to that type of sparks?

 

I imagine it's just the wheels. Why would the HEP disconnecting cause the wheels to spark as it stops?


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 12:03 PM

I agree that it is probably because of the wheels sudden deceleration against the rails sparking.  But I imagine it is possible the HEP could be shorting against something (like the rails, other metal parts).  While the connectors are very well insulated from what I can see, it is still high current, 480 volts at pretty high amperage. 


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Posted 17 August 2018 - 12:23 PM

Since the engine was the first thing destroyed in the crash, it is hard to imagine there was any live HEP following the complete destruction of the engine very early in the sequence.



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Posted 17 August 2018 - 02:38 PM

Yeah, true, was just thinking about the sparking/electrical flashes themselves, not thinking sequence.
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Posted 18 August 2018 - 10:08 AM

The sparks are likely from the train being placed in emergency and  diverging over a 20mph hand thrown switch at almost 60 miles per hour.


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Posted 19 August 2018 - 09:56 AM

Based on the video knowing the location as well. Could be from the moment the cars jumped the rails as well. Only three cars made it into the video which would be the coaches. And I know for a fact coach 1 and 2 both came off the track. So could have something to do with that.
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Posted 19 August 2018 - 07:36 PM

The sparks from the locomotive are brake skidding sparks. The sparks from the coaches occur when they leave the rails. That's the wheels grinding against the rails.


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Posted 23 August 2018 - 05:05 AM

As the lead engine comes in the frame, the brakes are already applied.


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