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#21 Thirdrail7

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:20 PM

Curious question:

 

How many coach and sleeper cars is a single baggage car designed to handle?   This is assuming that ALL passengers check their large bags as opposed to storing them above their coach seats or in the sleeper car storage areas.

 

To use an example, the Silver Meteor generally runs with (4) coaches, (3) sleepers, and (1) bag car.

 

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To answer the original question, you can load it with as much as you like providing it fits, you don't exceed the maximum load limit of either 50,000 or 55,000 lbs (I don't remember which) and/or you don't hinder your ability to open/close the doors to load or unload the luggage.


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 03:04 PM

The Cardinal could probably interoperate with the Star (especially since I suspect that a daily Cardinal might well have the same consist as the Star does at present, with the caveat that a diner-as-a-cafe might find its way onto the Star in lieu of the current cafe car as a result).  That would give you about another five hours of buffer at New York with the inbound Cardinal (0600 vs 1115), and the inbound Star shouldn't be much worse off vis-a-vis the next day's Star. [1]  You could also interoperate with the LSL (which has a similar inbound time to the Star; you've basically got three LD trains coming in during the evening at NYP...one leaves early in the morning, one mid-morning, and one mid-afternoon; if there are delays inbound, the first set in goes out as the Cardinal, the second as the Star, and the third as the LSL), though the LSL's extra coaches (and probably an extra sleeper) might make this a touchy proposition.  And of course, there's also the Pennsylvanian through cars...

 

[1] Yes, I realize that historically there's been an interchange between the Star and the Meteor, but I don't know if this is still the case given the increasing differences in consist (the Meteor usually has one, sometimes two, extra sleepers, an extra coach or two, and the diner).


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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:17 PM

I've seen plenty of baggage cars with the door open, and I have never, ever seen one that even looked remotely full.  But assuming that it gets really crazy I'd think it could accommodate all passengers' bags should they start stacking them like on the cargo hold of a plane.

ONCE, as in literally one exact time, I saw one loaded that much.  It was the westbound Capitol Limited a couple days before Christmas in 2013 or 2014 at Pittsburgh.  There was quite a mighty pile inside that car.

 

Every other time on every other train that I've seen inside the baggage car from the platform was more like "here's a suitcase bouncing around on its lonesome."



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:00 PM

I think the assumption that ALL passengers check their bags is not a realistic one, given 1) the majority of stations don't offer checked baggage service anyway, and 2) even when it's available, many folks will prefer to keep their bags with them anyway, even if they could check them.

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Posted 11 January 2018 - 06:32 PM

I'm thinking the baggage dorms will likely see service on the Boston section of the Lake Shore Limited and the Cardinal.

I rode the Lake Short Limited into Boston in November, and the door between the baggage car and my sleeper was left open, giving a good view of . . . lots of empty space. You could have played tennis in there.



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Posted 11 January 2018 - 07:04 PM

Lake is a unique case, it also carries a full bag into NYP.



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Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:18 PM

The baggage car on the rear of the Crescent, was pretty empty.....the whole way. I would think the half baggage/dorm cars would be much better utilized. Maybe its more full at other times. Heck, they could turn half the business class car into a baggage car, it only had 4-8 people it in the whole way too. I spent a lot of time in there, to get out of the roomette for a while. 
 

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:56 PM

 

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.

 

 

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.

 

The present schedule is very inefficient for equipment use.  Notwithstanding maintenance needs, you could operate with three sets for a daily service.

The 2010 Cardinal PIP says that only 3 train sets are needed for a daily Cardinal.

Sorry. We had a very authoritative post here, by someone who really knows stuff I mean, that Amtrak had decided it couldn't risk the Cardinal on the On Time Performance of its host railroad. So it will go daily, or NOT, alas, as a four train-set train.

 

But a daily Cardinal using four train-sets has much higher costs ... The numbers are sweet with three, but with four they go sour.

 

Maybe someday, the OTP of CSX will improve. Also, Indiana has a study in its files (LOL) claiming that a lousy $250 million would take 29 minutes out of Indy-CHI, and vice versa, allowing another hour of turn time in New York. Another CREATE Project in Chicago would take off more minutes. Upgrading Cincy-Indy-CHI to mostly 110-mph all together would save about 3 hrs each way, giving 6 more hours in NYC for turning.

 

(I'm not predicting that money will soon materialize for a couple more Midwestern 110-mph corridors. But ya never know. Who can predict our future government officials or their policy today?)


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 06:11 PM

The baggage car on the rear of the Crescent, was pretty empty.....the whole way. I would think the half baggage/dorm cars would be much better utilized. Maybe its more full at other times. Heck, they could turn half the business class car into a baggage car, it only had 4-8 people it in the whole way too. I spent a lot of time in there, to get out of the roomette for a while. 

 

And, I can neither confirm, nor deny, the baggage car was wide open and accessible en route, and an unlocked rear door, when open is vastly superior to the regular "railfan window".......

I can imagine one would be put off at the next stop by the conductor if caught inside of a baggage car.


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 06:39 PM


The baggage car on the rear of the Crescent, was pretty empty.....the whole way. I would think the half baggage/dorm cars would be much better utilized. Maybe its more full at other times. Heck, they could turn half the business class car into a baggage car, it only had 4-8 people it in the whole way too. I spent a lot of time in there, to get out of the roomette for a while. 
 
And, I can neither confirm, nor deny, the baggage car was wide open and accessible en route, and an unlocked rear door, when open is vastly superior to the regular "railfan window".......

I can imagine one would be put off at the next stop by the conductor if caught inside of a baggage car.
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:24 PM


The baggage car on the rear of the Crescent, was pretty empty.....the whole way. I would think the half baggage/dorm cars would be much better utilized. Maybe its more full at other times. Heck, they could turn half the business class car into a baggage car, it only had 4-8 people it in the whole way too. I spent a lot of time in there, to get out of the roomette for a while. 
 
And, I can neither confirm, nor deny, the baggage car was wide open and accessible en route, and an unlocked rear door, when open is vastly superior to the regular "railfan window".......

I can imagine one would be put off at the next stop by the conductor if caught inside of a baggage car.
If they were lucky...remember that unlocked rear door...😁
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Posted 13 January 2018 - 08:33 PM

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 09:37 PM

Thanks for all the replies.

 

I realize that not all passengers check their bags, either because they don't have large bags to begin with, they store them in the coach and sleeper cars or because their origin and/or destination stations don't offer checked bag service.

 

I was just wondering IF all passengers on a given single-level train WERE able to check their bags, how full a bag car would be.   


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Posted 13 January 2018 - 11:21 PM

I was just wondering IF all passengers on a given single-level train WERE able to check their bags, how full a bag car would be.   

 

 

I've seen this occur. When the WPB student special operates, each person checks a bag or two and the car is stuffed. It takes a caravan of U-hauls to cart their luggage to the hotel. You might not have to wonder as I may be in WAS when the next WPB student special operates.  If our paths cross, I will take a picture.


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Posted 14 January 2018 - 12:25 AM

Last time I rode the SWC #3 in the Summer, a Large contingement of Scouts and their Leaders were aboard, and the Heritage Bag Car was jammed full of Bags,Backpacks etc.

That's the only time I've ever seen a full Bag Car on an Amtrak LD Train.

I have notice that the Texas Eagles generally have the Doors open on the New Bag Cars when they arrive in Austin since Austin is a popular Station for Checked Bags.

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Posted 14 January 2018 - 09:35 AM

Yes, you may all be correct, it's a possibility. But that would require an employee to get up out of the cafe car table and take a walk, and we both know that's just not going to happen.....besides, I was just wandering around, no sign, and not locked.....how was I to know any better? thanks for setting me straight though!


The baggage car on the rear of the Crescent, was pretty empty.....the whole way. I would think the half baggage/dorm cars would be much better utilized. Maybe its more full at other times. Heck, they could turn half the business class car into a baggage car, it only had 4-8 people it in the whole way too. I spent a lot of time in there, to get out of the roomette for a while. 
 
And, I can neither confirm, nor deny, the baggage car was wide open and accessible en route, and an unlocked rear door, when open is vastly superior to the regular "railfan window".......

I can imagine one would be put off at the next stop by the conductor if caught inside of a baggage car.
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Posted 14 January 2018 - 04:31 PM

 

I've seen plenty of baggage cars with the door open, and I have never, ever seen one that even looked remotely full.  But assuming that it gets really crazy I'd think it could accommodate all passengers' bags should they start stacking them like on the cargo hold of a plane.

ONCE, as in literally one exact time, I saw one loaded that much.  It was the westbound Capitol Limited a couple days before Christmas in 2013 or 2014 at Pittsburgh.  There was quite a mighty pile inside that car.

 

Every other time on every other train that I've seen inside the baggage car from the platform was more like "here's a suitcase bouncing around on its lonesome."

 

I've seen some pretty heavy baggage loads, including two luggage trolleys of luggage loaded and three luggage trolleys of luggage taken off at Syracuse (during June, IIRC).  Using the shelves to their full capacity that takes up a bit less than half a car, but that is for Syracuse alone.  But of course the LSL has *two* baggage cars, so they still end up being half-full.


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