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#1 LookingGlassTie

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:10 PM

Curious question:

 

How many coach and sleeper cars is a single baggage car designed to handle?   This is assuming that ALL passengers check their large bags as opposed to storing them above their coach seats or in the sleeper car storage areas.

 

To use an example, the Silver Meteor generally runs with (4) coaches, (3) sleepers, and (1) bag car.

 

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:13 PM

I think the assumption that ALL passengers check their bags is not a realistic one, given 1) the majority of stations don't offer checked baggage service anyway, and 2) even when it's available, many folks will prefer to keep their bags with them anyway, even if they could check them.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:20 PM

On our trip to California in May 2006, the only checked baggage space for the Sunset Limited/Texas Eagle was the half-length (actually quarter) lower level of a Superliner Coach/Baggage (no full baggage car operating that day). It was more than sufficient.

 

Full baggage cars have seldom been strained by passengers' luggage. Back in the day, they earned their keep by using the excess space to handle express and parcels. I think we'll find that there's very few trains that the new baggage/dorms from CAF (when/if they ever show!) can't handle.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:25 PM

For example, in all my travels on Amtrak I have never ever used the checked baggage service. And I have consistently been traveling 15K to 20K miles by Amtrak every year for the last decade and more.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:35 PM

I think we'll find that there's very few trains that the new baggage/dorms from CAF (when/if they ever show!) can't handle.

 

Of course, with only ten baggage-dorms on order, there's also going to be very few trains they can handle.....   ;)

 

More seriously, the Florida trains are one example where a full baggage car is said to be needed, and was the rationale for the reduction in baggage-dorms in the original order to get more full baggage cars.  Obviously, actual capacity also depends on what the cars may be carrying other than luggage, the particular clientele and travel market, and other factors; There's not going to be a specific number of passenger cars per each baggage car.  



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:49 PM

In the time period where I was shipping a large amount of stuff via APX, I never had trouble getting my packages on the next logical train, next days at the absolute worst. So I'd say they can handle a heck of a lot more than they do now.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:14 PM

I was under the impression that they upped the full Bag count, so as to keep the option open for expanding package service, and not necessarily because they believed that they will see a sudden surge of checked baggage. For that the original mix was quite adequate apparently.

 

Admittedly, it was an odd tradeoff between more immediate greater Sleeper revenue against some unspecified revenue at some unspecified point in the future, if that is true.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 03:15 PM

I'm thinking the baggage dorms will likely see service on the Boston section of the Lake Shore Limited and the Cardinal.
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 03:53 PM

I'm thinking the baggage dorms will likely see service on the Boston section of the Lake Shore Limited and the Cardinal.

Ditto! And possibly the Crescent also!
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:10 PM

I'm thinking the baggage dorms will likely see service on the Boston section of the Lake Shore Limited and the Cardinal.

Ditto! And possibly the Crescent also!

I don't think the crescent will because a daily Cardinal takes 3, the LSL takes 3. The crescent needs 4
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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:11 PM

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:11 PM

I've seen plenty of baggage cars with the door open, and I have never, ever seen one that even looked remotely full.  But assuming that it gets really crazy I'd think it could accommodate all passengers' bags should they start stacking them like on the cargo hold of a plane.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:13 PM

There are only ten. You cannot equip all of Cardinal, LSL Boston Section and the Crescent and yet have shop extra. I would suspect that you could at most field 8 in regular service, which is one less than what is required to equip all three.

 

But just for the heck of brainstorming, you could equip the Cardinal (even daily if they can pull it off with three consists), the LSL and a hypothetical 65/66/67 with a Sleeper and a Bag Dorm to provide some significant Sleeper space.

 

In reality though I suspect they will find their way only on two trains.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:13 PM

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:16 PM

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.

 

The present schedule is very inefficient for equipment use.  Notwithstanding maintenance needs, you could operate with three sets for a daily service.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 04:46 PM

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.

 

 

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.

 

The present schedule is very inefficient for equipment use.  Notwithstanding maintenance needs, you could operate with three sets for a daily service.

 

The 2010 Cardinal PIP says that only 3 train sets are needed for a daily Cardinal.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 05:46 PM

 

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.

 

 

I was under the impression that if the Card went daily it would need 4 sets, perhaps I'm wrong on that. I believe it is 2 in the present 3 day a week form.

 

The present schedule is very inefficient for equipment use.  Notwithstanding maintenance needs, you could operate with three sets for a daily service.

 

The 2010 Cardinal PIP says that only 3 train sets are needed for a daily Cardinal.

 

3 sets work if you can reliably turn a consist around in Sunnyside between the late night arrival and early morning departure. Given CSX and its panache at making the late night arrival into even later in the night or very early in the morning arrival, that may or may not be achievable reliably, notwithstanding whatever wishful thinking was written up in the PIP ;)



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:04 PM

You don't necessarily need the Cardinal to arrive on time to send it out on time. If the Cardinal is running late, cannibalize the Crescent, Lake Shore, or Silver Meteor to get it ready. It is hard to imagine it not being in in time for its equipment to turn as part of the later afternoon LDs.  



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 07:31 PM

Even if on time often those mentioned turns occur due to needed equipment rotation to MIA.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 09:20 PM

The largest baggage loads I see are typically on the LSL, in the summer.  1.5 baggage cars is sufficient. :-)


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