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Posted 08 March 2018 - 06:11 PM

Thanks for that most interesting information, Jennifer.

 

I too had seen these rusty metal cones from Amtrak trains, and had puzzled over their purpose!

 

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Posted 09 March 2018 - 03:43 AM

Wednesday 28 February Day 8 - A day in MSP and get to meet Forum manager Jeb and wife Chelsea  ~  continued

Written at Seaside, Monterey, CA Thursday 8 March

 

 

Wake to find we are now 4 3/4 hours late into MSP, expecting to arrive at around 1pm and not 8am as scheduled. This makes us think which plans for MSP we have to leave to another day and what is important in the shortened time we have, but first back to breakfast.

 

Today we are seated with two retired ladies who were both teachers, they and Rosie had plenty to talk about. Rosie asked their opinion on arming teachers to defend schools, both were adamant that it was a very bad idea, but I'll leave that there...

 

Rosie spent the morning in the sight seeing lounge and was given a vivid description of when Mount St Helens blew up by a man who lived in the area and as a local garbage collector was very busy for months. He earned a fortune from the explosion because it all had to be cleaned up! And from another man a tale about young people entering the military for 3 years at 18 to get a start in life or help to decide whether to go to college at 21. When this man changed the topic to whether it was right for gay people to have relationships Rosie changed the subject as she feels passionate about that. Conversation topics are as varied as the people we all meet...

 

Arrived at Union Depot Saint Paul close to 1pm, we had until midnight before our Greyhound to Kansas City left from Minneapolis so in effect the rest of the afternoon and most of the evening. Decided on a visit to the Mississippi River Center, a look at the State Capitol and make our way to The Nook eatery and bowling alley to meet Jeb and Chelsea for dinner.

 

First we stored our 3 bags in Union Depot at $5 a time. Not cheap but very convenient and a price we were willing to pay. Then a walk along the river to the River Center, smaller than we thought but a couple of interesting insights into this mighty river. Another walk up to the Capitol followed by a visit to Leif Erikson (father Erik the Red) on the perimeter of the capitol grounds. We just wanted to pay our respects to a traveller and explorer extraordinaire. 

 

Following all this we return to the Union Depot area to catch a bus up to The Nook where we should manage to meet with Mr Jeb. We had no clue what Jeb looked like and he had no idea about us. He did deduct we maybe wouldn't look quite like the regulars of The Nook and he would spot us, this was about right too.

 

Going back a step or two. We were taken aback by the Mississippi being half covered in ice and snow, shouldn't have been but think it was down to having spent quite a lot of time alongside other sections of the river (but further south) it was a shock to realise it was another facet of this river.

 

The State Capitol is wonderful and surprisingly open to enter and wander around. It's a grand building if you ever get the chance with many superb aspects. I think Jeb is proud of his hometown and state Capitol and can quite easily see why. Hope the photos to follow will tell the story better than I.

 

Visiting Leif Erikson was all we had hoped although don't know if the statue is a good likeness. Still, he looks pretty impressive on his plinth and that was enough.

 

Also have to say that MSP was having a sort of mini heatwave by their standards on the day we were there, we were certainly overdressed for the temps we experienced.

 

Bus ride to The Nook was straightforward, now to find Jeb (we didn't know of Chelsea until later).

 

 

Great Hall at Union Depot, Minneapolis Saint Paul

 

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River Boats on the part frozen Mississippi

 

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First sight of the State Capitol

 

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The Capitol in all it's grandeur 

 

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Beautiful stairway from the Ratskeller in the basement to the first floor

 

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Cupola and other interior photos

 

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And finally Leif Erikson in the grounds

 

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:31 AM

Wednesday 28 February Day 8 - A day in MSP and get to meet Forum manager Jeb and wife Chelsea  ~  continued - Part II
Written at Seaside, Monterey, CA Friday 9 March

 

We find The Nook easily enough, 30-40 yards from the bus stop. Even with minus temperatures there were people standing outside as the place is so full. In particular there is one man in a T-shirt, the MSP mini heatwave didn't mean warm so these people are really hardy. Make our way inside and stand and ponder. The Nook is tiny and unassuming from the outside, inside it's the Tardis (check-out Dr Who if you don't know it).

The placed is heaving and there are other areas to it too, hundreds of people really fill this buzzing place, so how to find Jeb?

We stand there looking a bit bewildered I guess, but happy to take it all in as it's pleasantly warm and the atmosphere is great. Man from outside in T-shirt comes through the door and tentatively asks us if we are Rosie and Jamie, phew, he had spotted the backpack and of course we are not quite as young as most here.

 

If you haven't met your forum manager Jeb he is a very nice person, I'll only add that his wife Chelsea is delightful too. Jeb suggested The Nook as it one of the places to get a genuine Juicy Lucy burger, of course we were curious as to what a Juicy Lucy could be, the mind boggles! It was indeed very busy, a 45 minute wait for a table but we had loads to talk about so the time flew.

 

Great evening with very good company, also perfect place to eat, people watch, good service and good sized bowling alley is located in the basement. The big problem was the evening was so good we left about 30 minutes after our last bus back to Union Depot to recover our bags, but no fear Jeb and Chelsea gave us a lift back to get us there before the Baggage office closed. 

Jeb wasn't finished with us yet though. Although he was on his way home I had to text to ask if he would contact The Nook as I had lost a glove and it could have been there. He generously diverted from his way home to take a look himself, and yes he found it, thanks Jeb.

It's now in the post to Milton in California where we'll arrive in a few days so it can be reunited with the left one.

 

Bags recovered we had to find our way to the tram terminus only 1 block away, then on to the last but one stop to the other end of the line. Again we found the ever increasing amount of bus, trolley, tram and light rail in American cities really works and is so well priced. Something that the US was terrible at years ago has been turned around with clean and efficient transport systems all over the country, well done as it was needed.

 

Arrive at our stop and now a 500 yard walk with bags, but we are in the swing of it now and no big problem. Greyhound bus station is a large one and pretty busy, staff seem a bit hassled and not as helpful as we remember but that may only be this bus station. We find the reason for this a few days later elsewhere.

 

Normal mixed collection of Greyhound bus riders as ever, perhaps a little more ragged than before but again could be night and very long distance buses encourage things like blankets etc.

Greyhound functions very well as usually we leave and arrive on time, the drivers are always correct, and they get you to where you want to go. This was a Jefferson Lines bus, not quiet as comfortable as the regular Greyhound type but we both managed to sleep most of the way to Kansas City where we had to transfer to a real Greyhound for Lawrence, KS. Depart on time and away we go to the next part of this adventure...

 

 

The section of The Nook we were seated in, there were 2 other sections

 

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This photo is for Chelsea, as we saw it we thought of you. At the John Steinbeck Center in Salinas, CA yesterday we had to beg and plead to get this card as it is/was a display item at the center.

 

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:00 PM

Thursday 1 March Day 9 - From MSP to Lawrence, KS via Kansas City ~ by Greyhound
Written at Seaside, Monterey, CA Saturday 10 March

 

 

At 12:01 am our Jefferson Lines bus pulls out, we have a driver who's answers to passenger queries are a little too sharp and a fairly full bus.

 

We sleep pretty well only waking for a few minutes at each of the 4 or 5 stops before reaching Kansas City. Here we have to transfer to a Greyhound for the last leg of the journey to Lawrence, KS. One thing we notice is the KC to Lawrence Greyhound bus is different and a little more comfortable, but not much in it.

55 minutes down the road and we are outside the library on a cool dry day, lucky for us as there is no shelter just a bare sidewalk stop.

 

Within 5 minutes Milton turns up with older brother Art to collect us. We're meeting up here as Milton wanted to ride the Californian Zephyr with us and we had planned to re-visit Kansas City anyway, so one night at one of his nieces home, Milton remains in Lawrence for a family visit and we return to KC for a couple of days then off to meet the Zephyr.

Milton has decided to drive to Lincoln, Nebraska to meet the train, we are taking another Greyhound from KC to Denver where we will board.

 

Our day and evening with Milton's family was very nice indeed, we were treated as though they had known us all their lives. Same for the following day until late afternoon when we were driven to our KC hotel to drop bags and then to dinner at Grunauer's Austrian/German restaurant behind Union station. Our treat this time for Milton and niece Michel, a good evening had by all.


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:54 AM

Saturday 3 March Day 11 - Kansas City
Written at Seaside, Monterey, CA Sunday 11 March

 

 

​Easy start to Saturday. When ready bus down to Union Station to confirm the hours for baggage storage on Sunday as that's our leaving day and we will be heading to the Greyhound Bus Station from the Union Station area.

 

We get to the station to find 7 or 8 food trucks corralled around one side of the front of station parking. Check out baggage times, notice a poster by the ticket office about the rise and fall of US train travel complete with streamline trains (photo below) and head to the station forecourt to check out the food trucks for eating later in the day.

 

Note: There is a theme occurring for evening baggage collection. It's the 3rd time we have been warned that when a train is due in during the evening that all available staff (1 or 2) will be attending the train and the ticket and baggage offices will be closed. If baggage collection is time critical the Amtrak staff have given us details of when the baggage is not manned. This can be really helpful as sometimes the station closes at 10pm say but the ticket/baggage office is closed from 9:15pm till the next day.

 

 

Poster explaining the rise and fall of US train travel and one of the reasons why streamlined trains were introduced

 

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One of the food trucks at KCY

 

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Soon we were off on the free 2.1 mile tram from Union Station to the north of downtown to the market district by the river, our main purpose for Saturday was to visit the Arabia Steamboat Museum. On our previous KC visit 2 years earlier we had heard of this and the WW I museum as must sees, so here we were back again with the free tram up and running.

 

The story of how and why this particular steamboat was searched for, found and excavated is remarkable, that the full complement of 250? tons of general and specific goods to be shipped and traded was recovered is even more remarkable. All the goods were new, this boat sank in 1856 and the cargo was only recovered a few years ago. It's all housed in a new purpose built building which is a credit to whoever was responsible for it to be built. If you are in town we would thoroughly recommend a visit, a few photos below.

On a personal note we found items similar to those we trade in Europe. That these are probably European designs that were manufactured before 1856 in the US gives us a much earlier date for our France sourced items.

 

 

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A small sample of the recovered items

 

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Apparently the oldest US built steam engines in America

 

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To be continued...


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Posted 13 March 2018 - 04:59 PM

Saturday 3 March Day 11 - Kansas City  ~  continued
Written in Los Angeles, CA Tuesday 13 March

 

 

​We return from the Arabia Museum on the free tram, it's now late afternoon. Many people on the tram are very well dressed, women in particular in their very best finery with the men a little more conservative in their appearance. Arrive back to Union Station and choose a food truck to buy a late lunch, only 3 trucks left and we choose Greek food, pretty good too. There are bench seats outside the entrances to the station and sit in the sunshine eating and watching increasing numbers of people well dressed going into the station, what's going on?

 

 

Busy Greek Food truck

 

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Believe the bike rider is the owner of one of the food trucks that had just left

 

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Next is a crazy 30 hours in Kansas City, but think this could happen in many cities?

 

Rosie is very curious about where are these 100's and 100's of people going, they are queuing right around the entrance hall (huge if you have never visited KCY station) from both sets of entrance doors, there's a lot of money in this place.

It's a wine tasting evening in the great hall, the organisers had asked for people to dress glamorously for the event and the visitors had obliged. It's our 2nd visit to KC and we do have the impression that it is quite a prosperous city too. This sets the scene for the contrasts we experience until we leave Kansas City 30 hours later.

 

 

Some of the people attending the wine tasting at Union Station

 

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We have a couple of chores to do before we return to the hotel, the bus service even on Saturday is superb. Arrive at Broadway and Westport, walk down Westport and the whole area is really bustling with people enjoying themselves indoor and outdoor. This is busier than downtown and has the atmosphere all over that The Nook in MSP had. We'd certainly spend an evening here if we ever return to Kansas City.

 

Chores done we return to our return bus stop and see this store front sign, don't know why but love a store named 'Big Dude's'.

 

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Back at the hotel and we have an exciting night-in clothes washing, we know how to travel the world and have a good time.

 

Saturday evening   -   in between washing clothes I run downstairs to get a couple of cups of hot water to make tea. There appears to be something wrong with the coffee machine and the evening desk clerk comes out to check it out. The water is cold and not heated, between he and I we laugh a lot and get some results but not hot water. Try some more combinations and he says hold on a minute, goes into the office and comes out with steaming hot water., we are still laughing as we realise the he with a Masters degree in economics and me an engineer of sorts could not fathom how to work the coffee machine!

 

Asked why he's working in a hotel as a clerk, he said it's better than doing nothing before he gets the job he has his sights on, great work ethic and happy into the bargain.

 

Sunday morning​   -   Standing at the bus stop opposite the hotel it's on a junction corner as many are. Pleasant morning with a 10 minute wait for our bus, enjoying being outdoors and watching KC Sunday morning life go by. A car being driven around the corner where we stand pulls up, window winds down and an older lady calls out do we want a lift? We're taken aback as don't know if this is an Uber driver touting for business or simply a very kind gesture to a couple of people standing at a bus stop with bags. As our purpose is to travel as far as we can using public transport we thank her very much but no thanks.

5 Minutes later I watch a car pull up about 100 yards away, quite a few people going into the church we are standing near. The driver, an older lady walks towards us and says she is just off to church but would be happy to drive us to where we need to go as she can go to a later Mass. We're almost speechless at this kindness and insist we like catching the bus but appreciate her offer of delaying church just to do something for strangers. Off she goes back to the church door and disappears.

 

Rosie and I stand there in silence, never come across this type of hospitality/kindness/goodwill before.

 

Sunday lunch time   -   Drop bags for storage at the station, very pleasant and helpful the ticket office were too. Off to the National WW I across the road and up the hill.

 

We missed breakfast as not hungry so looked forward to lunch in the café in the museum. Late 20's man behind the counter is not happy, and less so when we ask what sort of meals we can get. None! I'm the only person of 3 who has turned up today. OK, so what's to eat, and he points to some slightly less than appetising cakes which have too much sugar for our tastes. The chef as we learn later mentions a couple of more times that he's not happy as he's there to cook not to operate a till, you get the picture...

 

So we settle for a cup of tea each, sit at a table and break into our travel food, trail mix and fruit. I go back for refills and have to talk with the chef again, he's relented a little so we have a conversation about food. He's passionate about cooking, in particular he likes to cook Argentinian which I though was unusual. But he becomes happier talking about something he loves and also by pointing out he only has 3 more hours before the café closes, the world isn't such a bad place after all. He really does love cooking though as he makes the effort of learning different styles by working in the country where each style comes from, and that he was waiting to go the far east within weeks and had taken this job to fill in. Good story eventually and he had cheered up too.

 

There are 3 films in the WW I museum main display area, the first one as you enter the museum is staggering, at least that is my take. It gives in simple logical sequence the events - mainly in Europe - of the causes for Europe and then the rest of the world to descend into awful turmoil. I sat through this film 3 times as it was so powerful. Some/many of the basic causes that led to WW I are present in society now, it felt very scary as how we appear to be going down the same path. Best leave it there except to write it is another very good Kansas City museum.

 

 

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Union Station  and Downtown Kansas City from the outdoor upper level

 

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One Sphinx facing in one direction shielding it's eyes from the horror that was WW I. 

 

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The second Sphinx facing the opposite direction shielding it's eyes from the nightmare of what was to come, WW II

 

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Sunday evening

 

After leaving the museum we walk across to the Crown Center for something to eat, lose our way and end up in a reception for Kansas farmers. As we're not strictly farmers we glide slowly out of the very nice venue getting more odd looks than when we walked in. Found some food, it filled a gap, then walked across to Union Station to collect our bags.

 

We have at least 3 hours to wait before we get our bus up to the KC Greyhound bus station, so happy to sit and talk about the few days in Lawrence and KC.

A lady in her 50's ? was trying to sleep on the same bench, didn't bother us or we her. What was unusual was she had a very very nice push bike, it was of Dutch upright style and very shiny and new. She was travelling light with only a couple of quite small bags so obviously on the move. A couple of hours later we collected our bags before they closed the ticket office, lady on the bench had woken up and asked if we were getting the South West Chief for LA too. She explained she was going to San Diego at which point I asked was she cycling there but she just laughed.

 

The upshot of a slightly disconnected conversation between the 3 of us was we are also going to San Diego but not on that evening's 10:45pm Southwest Chief, but we would be there when she was there...  possibly. We also explained to her the boarding sequence but no didn't know what happened when you travel with a bicycle. It appears that she will meet us in San Diego but how that will happen we don't know. 

 

It's time to get to the Greyhound bus station so we head out. Taxi outside the door, first we have seen in 2 days. But our goal is public transport and we walk past although the driver thinks otherwise. 

At the bus stop we arrived at earlier in the day, check the Sunday timetable all as we hope.

 

There's a lady sitting at the bus stop seat with bags, blanket and wheel chair in front of her, we say hello. Doris has a story. 71 years old and homeless but has a bed each night providing she can get there. They are not allowed to arrive before 10pm, and have to leave by 9am. She's sober, articulate, cleanly dressed and can't walk far (therefore the wheelchair). She has to get to her bus about 200 yards away but stopped to pause on this seat. 

Our bus arrives, the same number as from the hotel which will take us now to a bus stop near the river so we can connect with another to the Greyhound station, but it doesn't stop, just goes sailing by even though we indicate a stop! We do know it's the last bus of the day so it looks like back to that taxi but that's gone too. Doris comes to the rescue as she knows how the transit system works.

 

Hauls herself up, beckons for us to follow and sets off with a painful looking gait. Two blocks down and she turns right, there are many more bus stops in this street and we have hope. Only a few minutes and a bus arrives which is also the bus for Doris, she tells us to get on and realise it's the same route as the original bus. It takes a minute or two to strap Doris's wheelchair down and we're off, a jolly group of people around us. Rosie asks if this bus will be too late for our connecting bus and I say probably but think no chance, she asks the number of the connecting bus.

 

I know where the 2nd bus must turn into and ask the driver of the bus we are on to let us off at the bus stop closest please, but I'm starting to think we may miss our Greyhound but can't tell Rosie. Our driver tells us we're up next, goodbye to Doris, thank her for her help and get ready to get off with our 4 bags. We're coming to a stop at a junction and our 2nd bus is the other side of the road waiting to turn, just pray the light sequence is in our favour. Our driver says it's nice to meet us and lets us off as close to the corner as it's possible to be, there is no bus stop there. About 40 yards and there is a bus stop but our 2nd bus has turned into the street and accelerating past us and the bus stop, his bus stop is another 100 yards further on and we now have a mini crowd at the first bus stop cheering us on. The bus has stopped at the bus stop, there's no one there so we run in hope. 

 

Get to the bus panting, told 2nd bus driver he was a life saver but please wait for my wife. Ask if he had waited for us and he said sure, the first bus driver had flashed his lights so he knew we were coming, how helpful is this Kansas City?

 

So with all the kindnesses shown to us we still worry as to how we can't design a society that helps 71 year olds who really need help. Not political or aimed at one country either, just feel strongly about some things.

 

So we make our Greyhound in time, meet with other bus travellers and wait a short time for our ride to Denver. But as we enter we have to check in with the ticket clerk as we are packing bags in the underneath lockers on the bus. Just make a comment about how busy the bus station was at nearly midnight, and she says it's always like this now. Asked how she copes with so many passengers as she is on her own, so she explains a little about Greyhound in recent times. Cutbacks, staff reductions, and experienced drivers leaving in numbers, it's a difficult time to work for Greyhound. Asked why she remains working there and she says "where else can I go?". The shame is she did her job very well, was polite and had a smile too, she obviously enjoyed what she did. But whatever has happened to Greyhound was making the people working for them very unhappy, and it explained a little about the atmosphere at the MSP bus station too.

 

 

Kansas City bus station at midnight

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:35 AM

Monday 5 March Day 13 - Kansas City to Denver
Written in Los Angeles, CA Tuesday 13 March

 

 

Our Greyhound leaves at 12:25am, we're heading to Denver to meet the Californian Zephyr for the journey west over the Rockies and better still the Sierra Nevadas to San Francisco.

 

The bus has the usual mix of people, many with a place to go to or a place to leave, the driver was fine. The bus condition though was possibly the worst Greyhound bus we have ridden, didn't get too much sleep that night but we survived if frozen.

 

A couple of hours before Denver the wind rose and we drove through a dust storm, at times it really picked up and looking out the windows it looked like photos we had seen in Oklahoma of the dust bowl. Although not good for farmers it was fascinating to watch how quickly a dust storm started.

 

From the Greyhound Bus Station the bus service in Denver was very good, as they have been in all cities we have visited this time. Bus stopped just about 50 yards from our hotel.

The hotel didn't ask questions but allowed us to check in 3 hours early, thank you Days Inn at Colfax Avenue as we were so tired and cold. We were dog tired so slept most of the afternoon, missed the couple of visits we wanted to make but did need the sleep and warmth.

 

That evening we went across the road to the Irish Snug, a pub eatery. Good atmosphere, busy and very good food. Stayed a couple of hours and returned to the hotel for more sleep and to keep warm, Denver due to the wind was absolutely freezing.

 

Note: The Days Inn Downtown is not the cheapest hotel in Denver but everything about it works. Superb location, direct very regular bus to Union Station about 30 yards away, good, clean and fully functioning hotel. There are plenty of places to eat and or drink within close walking distance too plus interesting sights within walking distance.

 

 

Denver at night from the hotel 

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 05:33 AM

Thank you for such great reporting! I love the photo's and the details of all your encounters with the local folk.

After your problems with that coffee machine, I am reminded to always pack my number 1 travel accessory... my kettle and PG Tips tea bags. :D

 

Much kudos to you for taking those overnight Greyhound bus services. I like the daytime Greyhound rides, the views, and all the characters one meets, but trying to rest and travel overnight is beyond me!

 

Looking forward to the next update.

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:31 PM

I too am impressed by the photos, and by your willingness to overnight on a bus. Like Ed, I can do it during the day, but as soon as I try and be still to sleep, my back begins to twitch and make me miserable. Must... lie... down... (which I can, even in Amtrak coach, if I have two seats. But not on a bus).

 

I also bring my own tea bags,but haven't yet found a workable travel kettle. What do you use, Ed?


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:39 PM

I am really enjoying the trip report and photos!

 

Jennifer, I used an immersion heater when I was living in a dorm to make coffee and tea.  This one is only 300 watts, so it should be okay to use in a sleeper.  It's also very compact:

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:24 PM

Hi Jennifer,

 

I use something similar to this kettle, it is about 650 Watts, so quite suitable for low power outlets. Used it aboard Amtrak, in Indian hotels, etc..

 

I have found a nice bone china cup which fits inside the kettle. The cup rests on a plastic scourer, which protects the element, and is handy for cleaning the cup. :D

 

The cord fits inside the cup, and a spoon fits inside too.  I have used it to heat "boil in the bag" food too!

 

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/4265315

 

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:19 PM

Thanks Woodcut60, all ideas are welcome.
 
As the weather is changeable at this time of year we're open to whatever suits the moment. We are definitely going to the Museum of Flight and the cinema 'Cinerama' as it is supposed to be very high tech, that still leaves 1 1/2 days. There will now be 5 of us meeting up there so we may be sight-seeing by committee majority .




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Posted 16 March 2018 - 12:34 AM

Wonderful start to your trip--looking forward to the rest! :)

 

Thanks MRD. Postings are a bit disjointed but trying to keep it going.

 

It's funny as this journey is a bit out of sync with writing the blog. I'm using a notebook via wifi and not a smartphone. Wifi is unusually erratic and more of our time is taken up with meeting people or doing things than on previous journeys. Frequently we have wifi but no time to write, or time to write and no wifi. Not complaining mind as we're having a superb time, just an explanation why the blog is miles behind.

 

 

Nice photos! Not an especial lot of snow for the Chemult area in Oregon, and I hope you waved in a general easterly direction as you passed. Western Oregon usually has no snow, as the elevation there is near sea level (as compared to 4,764′ at Chemult).

 

I am sure the reason your train was full is that the days before, #8 was cancelled. Some took the 11 & 6 option (that I heard was offered), only to arrive at CHI on the same day as those that rebooked for the #8 you were on.

 

The "vortex" that eats trains was just east of Essex, can't wait to hear what happened as you continued east, after your snowy sojourn at the Izaak Walton!

 

That explained a lot, you've since read why the Empire Builder was so late

 

 

Thanks for taking time out from your trip to post reports and photos here!  I enjoy it all!

 

The "Amtrak America" logo and paint scheme is on the new Viewliner II baggage cars and diners.

 

Thanks Maglev

 

 

Winter Wonderland!

Great pics Jamie, it's Spring already down here in Texas!

 

Thanks Bob, that's good to hear, we've escaped the worst and now quite pleasant here in southern California. See you soon.

 

 

Oh my goodness, your photos are wonderful and it appears you had the BEST.WINTER WEATHER. EVER!

Glad to see those snowshoe tracks on the pristine canvas of the snow.

 

We didn't need them Jennifer unless we intended to go off Piste, which we didn't. We had to keep pinching ourselves at how amazing the snow was, we've been very lucky with weather almost everywhere including the cold we were dreading in Minneapolis Saint Paul

 

 

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Pleased you are enjoying them, the next batch are not quite to the same level as a lot of photography was into the sun and there were a couple of reasons we couldn't do anything about that.

 

 

Finally we managed to login on this forum, so not only we can read the as always great reports, but see the pictures as well. 
Yes that is snow (we just had 2") partially liked the barn with it's white hat.
Btw, that Black Birth has 2 engines, the 3' one in the middle is the engine of the only remaining drone of that project sitting on the back of this SR-71 make this combination ever so unique.
Next to the Concorde (sitting outside of this museum) my all time favorite plane. I'm sure that's an other forum though.
Have a safe trip

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Hello Hans, hello Wineke

Pleased you signed up for this forum, it's a friendly place with a wealth of information and well worth it. As you will know you only donate if you feel you want to so in effect joining is free.

Yes knew that the Blackbird is your favourite plane that's the reason it was included. Hope you enjoyed a different angle from your own photos. Hope we see you soon.

 

 

The structure in Montana that you are interested in is a "wigwam burner" used back in the old days to process sawmill waste. Back in the 1970s, I worked as a packer in a small mill that made cedar shakes ("hand-splits") and shingles for roofing. Don't have photos of me on the job packing shingles, but here's what I mostly did:

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Wigwam burners were a landmark in most western timber towns. There is still one standing within 15 miles of my home. Most stand alone now, the mill they were attached to having been torn down. Here's what they looked like in use:

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And here's a little wigwam burner history, if you should want to follow up.

 

Thanks for such good info Jennifer, what haven't you done!

 

 

Thank you for such great reporting! I love the photo's and the details of all your encounters with the local folk.

After your problems with that coffee machine, I am reminded to always pack my number 1 travel accessory... my kettle and PG Tips tea bags. :D

 

Much kudos to you for taking those overnight Greyhound bus services. I like the daytime Greyhound rides, the views, and all the characters one meets, but trying to rest and travel overnight is beyond me!

 

Looking forward to the next update.

 

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We find the overnighters a little harder than a few years ago but not so terrible if the heating is on and not cold aircon driving across a freezing Kansas plain during the night. The latest (usual condition) Greyhound buses are pretty comfortable now, better than the older ones. Leg room may be an issue so it's best to try to board early as some seats have less and a few have more than the average. Of course if you have back or mobility problems then a fair bit of travelling may be a problem.

Part of the reason for taking Greyhound is Amtrak doesn't completely cover the country so every now and then a Greyhound fits the bill and most times very well. If you like being with people it's as sociable as coach on any Amtrak LD train as far as our experience goes. Have to say that if we don't get one Greyhound ride in on every US journey we miss it.

 

We needed to pack light for this trip, the problem was 2 weeks in the frozen north, 1 week in a moderate climate, and 3 weeks in hopefully pleasantly warm climate, that's a lot of different clothes which doesn't work well with travelling light. 

So we left out other stuff to keep the weight and volume down, one item was our cup sized emersion heater similar to Maglev's. It also enabled us not have to carry 2 china cups too. Last part of this we checked that 95% of our hotels had a microwave in the room, the reality is about 8 out of 10 have been removed even though they are advertised with them. It's left us having to rely on hot water from the coffee machines which led to the entertaining episode in Kansas City.

 

Like you Ed, we carry mucho tea bags


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 12:45 AM

I too am impressed by the photos, and by your willingness to overnight on a bus. Like Ed, I can do it during the day, but as soon as I try and be still to sleep, my back begins to twitch and make me miserable. Must... lie... down... (which I can, even in Amtrak coach, if I have two seats. But not on a bus).

 

I also bring my own tea bags,but haven't yet found a workable travel kettle. What do you use, Ed?

 

As above

 

 

I am really enjoying the trip report and photos!

 

Jennifer, I used an immersion heater when I was living in a dorm to make coffee and tea.  This one is only 300 watts, so it should be okay to use in a sleeper.  It's also very compact:

 

https://www.amazon.c...mmersion heater

 

As above

 

 

Hi Jennifer,

 

I use something similar to this kettle, it is about 650 Watts, so quite suitable for low power outlets. Used it aboard Amtrak, in Indian hotels, etc..

 

I have found a nice bone china cup which fits inside the kettle. The cup rests on a plastic scourer, which protects the element, and is handy for cleaning the cup. :D

 

The cord fits inside the cup, and a spoon fits inside too.  I have used it to heat "boil in the bag" food too!

 

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/4265315

 

Ed.

 

Couldn't give a kettle that amount of space Ed, but am jealous


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Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:14 AM

Tuesday 6 March Day 14 - Denver, CO to San Francisco, CA
Updated in Los Angeles, CA Thursday 15 March

 

A few photos of the Amtrak 5 Californian Zephyr from Denver to SFC, report will follow a little later.

 

 

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Posted 16 March 2018 - 07:12 PM

Interstate? running opposite side of the river to the rail track


Yes, Interstate 70. (It was quite an engineering feat to get it into that canyon!)
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Posted 17 March 2018 - 02:02 AM

Tuesday 6 March Day 14 - Denver, CO to San Francisco, CA  ~  continued
Updated in Los Angeles, CA Friday 16 March

 

 

​Up early, then a lesson on catching a bus that those with 'L' by the bus number do not stop at every stop, in particular the one we were standing at. Only a minute or so and a non 'L' bus arrives, but it did have us wondering.

 

Arrive at Denver Union Station at 7:00am, check bags, find that the Zephyr is a little late so lots of time to look, sit and wait. Very pleasant in this very comfortable station.

We start to get hungry as no breakfast so far and expect we'll have missed breakfast on-board as the train isn't due in until around 9:00am. The new Conductor waiting to board suggests we'll have missed breakfast by a few minutes.

Train arrives, Milton is standing by the door to our sleeper car waiting to meet up again, he had boarded the previous evening at Lincoln, Nebraska.

 

Get to our room and told by our Sleeping Car Attendant (SCA) that she had reserved breakfast in the dining car for us, how thoughtful. Milton had already eaten breakfast but joined us anyway, regaling us with more stories of how he had enjoyed breakfast with an attractive red-head. Which after his last adventure of eating with 3 very dynamic women when returning to LA on the Starlight we were starting to wonder what had happened to this very shy, innocent, 82 year old retired scientist, had he suddenly become a Babe magnet?

 

The Diner was a very happy place, completely mad-cap server but entertaining and friendly with it. After breakfast off straight away to the sight seeing lounge (SSL). Milton and I sitting at a table, Rosie in the center of the car on upholstered seats as she wanted to jump from side to side as the scenery changed.

 

The SSL was fairly full as there was a large party of all women (of a certain age) off to one of the resorts high in the Rockies, and at least one other all female group (again of a certain age). An Amish family were there along with a number of mixed other passengers. All in all a happy and excited atmosphere.

 

First up we saw a Moose in the wild, first time (for us) to see a Moose anywhere, what extraordinary creatures they are. Milton and I catch up, chat a little with the card and board game playing Amish then it's time for lunch. Eating companion was a psychologist who had seen it all in his long life, very interesting too. 

Scenery keeps rolling by both sides of the train, and as Rosie remarked "must be the most scenic restaurant in the world" rang so true.

 

Red-head passes by and stops to chat with Milton, he's beaming at all this attention. Very nice early 30's vibrant woman she is, she is a 'tea lady' in the nicest possible way and a leading expert in Chinese teas after 6 years of study. We'll hear more from her when we all eat together later.

 

After leaving Winter Park, CO where skiing was still possible most of the snow has now gone, but no less beautiful as we travel through mountains and a deep canyon with fir clad steep slopes.

 

That afternoon stared out the windows and chatted some more in particular with the Elders of the Amish family, William and Sarah. They were travelling with their daughter and son in law to San Francisco.  The daughter needed a major operation and a specialist who performed this work every week was to operate. They all thought it was important that the girl got the best treatment possible but all including the daughter were excited about the train journey they were on.

 

The larger group of ladies left the train, very jolly they were and good company for each other.

 

After an early start we all decided to get some sleep early, our best scenery was due tomorrow.


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Posted 17 March 2018 - 02:57 AM

Wednesday 7 March Day 15 - Denver, CO to San Francisco, CA
Updated in San Diego, CA Tuesday 20 March

 

 

​We took a late breakfast and were practically the only ones in the diner, the new (to us) diner server was very quiet and not too happy. Our lovely crazy server from the previous day had gone (and was missed), she said she only worked part of the route as there were not enough passengers for 3 diner staff for the last day. Many de-trained at various Rocky mountain resorts apparently.

 

Scenery was to our liking, more snow in the Sierras and more spectacular. Rosie and Milton spent most of the morning gazing out, I was lucky to spend several hours with the two younger Amish.

Not sure who asked the most questions, them or me, but what an insight into a simple but obviously to them an enjoyable existence. The young lady Mary who was going to have surgery was always smiling, kind and polite, her husband Moses had quietly told me she was often in serious pain but tried not to show it, stoic isn't a strong enough word for her behaviour.

 

The three Louisiana ladies of a certain age were on travels in the north of their country, none had been very far north of where they were born and had decided they should while they had the chance. They were all widowed and had renewed their childhood friendships since living alone, they were having a pretty chaotic but a happy time together.

We got into conversation over a Cajun food recipe, red beans and rice. Rosie and I have had a fixation on this meal since we ate it a year ago on the Sunset Limited . I've cooked it a half a dozen times and getting close to what we think it should taste like, so I was crestfallen when these obvious experts explained how I had quite a lot wrong.

But we all laughed a lot and there were promises of sending a 'good' recipe with detailed instructions once we got home. The big tip they did tell immediately was to use small white beans in place of red kidney beans. Now on our shopping list for our 6 hour layover in New Orleans in just over a week.

 

The story of the Donner Party disaster was told, the Amish wide eyed about this and that were looking at the actual place where it happened. Pleasant afternoon with nice people and only a little late (40 minutes) into Emeryville. While waiting in our sleeper we wondered how the Amish family were going to react to San Francisco, it's about as opposite to their lives as can be.

 

Emeryville was a temporary parting of the ways for Milton and us. He stayed in Emeryville overnight to catch the following day's Coast Starlight back to LA, we had a night in SF then an Amtrak Thruway bus to Salinas.

 

The Amish were being collected by a mini bus sent by the hospital, the rest of us all managed to board the bus for the Temporary Transbay Terminal (SFC) in downtown an Francisco without too much trouble, but de-bussing was a lot of fun as our 3 Louisiana Belles just had so much luggage it was hard for them and the baggage handler to keep track. They did admit again they were not experienced travellers and laughed so much after they came to the conclusion they hadn't even opened some of the cases 2 weeks into their journey. I counted 14 medium to large sized cases between the 3 of them, that's without hand baggage!

Rosie and I were not in a hurry so helped direct them (round them and their luggage up) to where they could get a taxi, it would have to be a large one...

 

This is our fourth visit to San Francisco, it all feels pretty familiar a bit like going home, we do enjoy this city.

 

Easy access by bus up to the Hotel Majestic near to Van Ness, nice hotel, good evening meal at a Vietnamese restaurant just up the road and a smile at a large sign outside of a Retirement Home just a few doors from the hotel ' Daily tours arranged '. ​We mused if the tours were to watch the residents or...

 

Tomorrow it's Salinas and the Steinbeck Center, second shot at getting inside


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 02:25 PM

Thursday 8 March Day 16 - San Francisco to Salinas, CA to Monterey, CA
Updated on a Greyhound bus between Yuma and Tucson, AZ ~ Wednesday 21 March

 

 

Early start from this friendly hotel for the bus ride back to SFC, travelling with bags on a bus during San Francisco rush hour is 'interesting', but not life threatening. Bus service works so well, can't complement public transport in US cities enough. 

 

Friendly staff at SFC, we have an hour to wait so sit and chat as they aren't too busy at this time. Anne tells us of how she travels whenever she can, even quite long distances with only weekends to travel. It does reinforce that if you catch the travel bug it wont let go, ever. She also gives us Amtrak postcards and one or two other Amtrak things, very kind. 

They are moving out of this depot by June as their lease is up, we passed the new SFC just down the road, very futuristic from the outside. Apparently the new site will have gardens and possibly shops, but they like the depot they work in now and will miss it.

 

Our Thruway bus arrives, we are the only people on it until the next stop so we sit upfront. We travel down to Salinas via San Jose, Rosie says now she knows the way. It is a fabulous ride and feels very California. This type of landscape only appears to happen here, it's very pretty in our eyes.

Driver was friendly and explained stuff to us, said he enjoyed driving this route and that he really enjoyed being a bus driver, good for him, a happy man.

 

Arrive in Salinas at the Amtrak station, we're on a roll as the station ticket clerk was extremely helpful too. he explained how Salinas was laid out especially the Steinbeck Center, John Steinbeck's family home, the transit center and exactly where to get our next bus from later in the day. We were off to get some brunch having missed breakfast, we'd chosen a Mexican café, Rosita's Armory Café in Salinas Street. It's about a 5 minute walk from the station and worth it. The son of the founder is now the owner, it feels friendly, comfortable and the food was very good at a good price, and usually Mexican isn't our favourite food.

 

 

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At last it's time to make a second attempt to visit the Steinbeck center, the first time we visited we weren't allowed in, this time we had written permission from the principle of the center.

 

To be continued... 


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Posted 21 March 2018 - 03:59 PM

More good stuff Jaime!😎 See yall Friday morning in Austin! Hope the Sunset/Eagle trip is a blast!
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