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Derailment of Cascades #501, DuPont WA, 2017-12-18


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#21 brianpmcdonnell17

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:13 PM

Based on the road closures and satellite views of the route, it appears the incident occurred at the southern end of the new routing just before it merges in with the old route (which likely will be the active route again until the wreck area is cleaned up and repaired).

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:15 PM

Can someone post a google map of the location? Someone stated the train was doing 81mph but the trestle is in a sharp S curve.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:19 PM

As near as I can tell, this is the scene of the accident:

 

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:20 PM

Seattle Times state 3 people dead.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:22 PM

As near as I can tell, this is the scene of the accident:

 

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Oh crap...........79 mph at that curve?



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:26 PM


As near as I can tell, this is the scene of the accident:
 
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Oh crap...........79 mph at that curve?

Which may have been allowed with Talgo equipment? That's what's going to be really tricky about this one, this was the first train through this area, was Talgo equipment incorrectly given a speed too high for this curve? The point of Talgo equipment is it can go faster around curves.

I'm not an expert at all, just thinking of the timing of this, will be a very interesting investigation.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:28 PM

Per Fox news, the fatalities are form the cars that went into the woods. Because of low count of 70 pax, it possible, hopeful no one was in the Talgo that was upside down on the freeway.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:28 PM

Paste this in to Google maps...
(47.0818761,-122.6745646)


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:35 PM

Oh crap...........79 mph at that curve?

You don't really believe every bit of hearsay you see here, do you?



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:35 PM

The bridge is over the northbound lanes of I-5. (see the grafiti in photos) . The curve to the north of the southbound I-5 bridge is around 10 degrees which would definitely be slow speed and the junction with BNSF mainline is just ahead also a slower speed connection. So many factors to consider. I will just pray for all involved.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:35 PM

If the pax count is so low, could it be possible for the conductor to put everyone into two or three cars to keep track of everyone?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:37 PM

Yes sharp curve, if the GE is on tail. The over speed throws the train to the outside of the curve. Breaks apart and then two cars get knock to the inside of the curve and on to the highway below. Rear locomore is still pushing (by force of weight, and or the delay in Emergency brakes). The last few cars end up going down on inside of the curve on to the highway.

Ouch going to need a few more Ambulances.

With a report of VIP again, hope nobody was in the cab, distracted the engineer.

Got bring up the PTC issue. One think there a speed restrictions on this curve. PTC not yet working on this section?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:38 PM

Does anyone know if they did do test runs on the new route? News outlets are saying they didn't and this first revenue service was actually the inaugural run, which I find hard to believe.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:39 PM

 

 

As near as I can tell, this is the scene of the accident:
 
attachicon.gifScene.jpg

 
Oh crap...........79 mph at that curve?

Which may have been allowed with Talgo equipment? That's what's going to be really tricky about this one, this was the first train through this area, was Talgo equipment incorrectly given a speed too high for this curve? The point of Talgo equipment is it can go faster around curves.

I'm not an expert at all, just thinking of the timing of this, will be a very interesting investigation.

 

 

Surely they would have tested the equipment on the new line before inauguration?



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:39 PM

Seattle Times reported at least three fatalities...

 

Amtrak just now reported 78 passengers and five crew onboard...


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:39 PM

Is the angled car a really short car? Or is it broken in two?


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:41 PM

KING 5 just stated (one of their guests, anyways) that there was extensive testing.

 

First revenue service wouldn't count test trains, anyways. It's true that this is the first revenue train, but there's been many test trains before they put it into revenue service.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:41 PM

KING 5 just stated (one of their guests, anyways) that there was extensive testing.

 

First revenue service wouldn't count test trains, anyways. It's true that this is the first revenue train, but there's been many test trains before they put it into revenue service.

That's what I thought.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:42 PM

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:42 PM

Does anyone know if they did do test runs on the new route? News outlets are saying they didn't and this first revenue service was actually the inaugural run, which I find hard to believe.

 

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Testing and Certification – The second phase of testing begins in February 2017. Amtrak trains will test the tracks and signals at speeds up to 79 mph between sunrise and sunset on weekends and during non-commuter hours on weekdays. Intersections being tested include Clover Creek Drive, North Thorne Lane, Berkeley Street, 41st Division Drive, and Barksdale Avenue (Steilacoom-DuPont Road), as well as all intersections currently on the Sounder line between the Tacoma Dome and Lakewood stations. These intersections will not be closed to traffic, but there may be delays to allow the trains to pass at varying speeds.






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