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Derailment of Cascades #501, DuPont WA, 2017-12-18


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#1 Karl1459

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:19 AM

It appears that Cascades 501 derailed with cars off the overpass. This is on or just south of the new bypass. Too soon for reports of injuries. https://www.seattlet...5-near-olympia/



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:24 AM

Described as a "mass casualty" incident...could be bad...more pics in the link below --

 

http://komonews.com/...south-of-tacoma


Edited by Bierboy, 18 December 2017 - 11:26 AM.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:28 AM

I don't think this train was supposed to be where it was. I think it was to go around a sweeping right hand curve just north of there, but someone left a switch open.  Train was on correct alignment, using Google Earth I found a different bridge with similar topography and graffiti, but it was the wrong location.

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Edited by Ngotwalt, 18 December 2017 - 11:45 AM.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:39 AM

AP now saying "injuries and casualties"....looking worse by the minute. And the local residents were NOT happy about the re-routing so Amtrak could utilize speeds up to 79 mph http://komonews.com/...d-train-service


Edited by Bierboy, 18 December 2017 - 11:42 AM.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:44 AM

Is the locomotive they are showing 181 the lead or trailing unit?


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:45 AM

Did they ever test talgo equipment on this line?
The Talgo cars are built quite different and wondering if that could have caused this.

Either way, this looks like a seriously tragic accident, and I just hope that somehow the cars that fell were not full of passengers.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:45 AM

:( KIRO now reporting fatalities...

 

And the local Fox affiliate has some video of passenger cars on top of each other... 

http://q13fox.com/20...wn-near-dupont/


Edited by Bierboy, 18 December 2017 - 11:50 AM.

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:47 AM

AP now saying "injuries and casualties"....looking worse by the minute. And the local residents were NOT happy about the re-routing so Amtrak could utilize speeds up to 79 mph http://komonews.com/...d-train-service

 

Looks like Lakewood residents will be screaming even louder, however this wasn't due to a trespasser.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:50 AM

Is the locomotive they are showing 181 the lead or trailing unit?


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I believe trailing - 501 is a southbound train, and 181 was on the northern end of the train.



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:51 AM

Rail cars on the ground on both side of the track. The forces involved to make the train split and then have the lead cars land on the inside of the curve and the rest of the train side (fly) to the outside of the curve.

Would think the locomore picture is lead.

Report multiple rail authority types on board. Hopefully no riders in the cab.

Edited by Just-Thinking-51, 18 December 2017 - 11:57 AM.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:51 AM

There is picture of a Talgo car upside on  the freeway, the roof is collapsed. Not good, :( .



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:54 AM

Rail cars on the ground on both side of the track. The forces involved to make the train split and then have the lead cars land on the inside of the curve and the rest of the train side (fly) to the outside of the curve.

Would think the locomore picture is lead, otherwise the laws of physics do not apply.


I think it is trailing. Based on new pics of one car upside down on freeway and angled car on top of it.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:56 AM

Rail cars on the ground on both side of the track. The forces involved to make the train split and then have the lead cars land on the inside of the curve and the rest of the train side (fly) to the outside of the curve.

Would think the locomore picture is lead.

 

One picture I see has at least one of those cars landing upside-down. That doesn't look very survivable. :(


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:57 AM

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:59 AM

Yes it going to be a bad one. Anyone know the forces required to break apart a Talgo trainset?

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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:59 AM

If 181 was trailing, then that means the train was in push mode, correct?


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 11:59 AM

The first pic............We hope for the best.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...test/index.html

 

There was a local newscaster who was just on that train reporting on the new service and is shaken up as he got to know the pax and enjoyed the trip.

 

Someone on twitter stated they hit a truck, do not think that is true, is there a crossing in the area?



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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:00 PM

With this being the inaugural run on the new route, I'm reading reports that there were a lot of elected officials and transit managers who were on board.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:04 PM

Some injuries but no fatalities among Interstate vehicles being reported now too.

 

There are now fatalities being reported on the train.

 

There were 83 people on board (78 passengers 5 crew). Full capacity is 250 or so.


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Posted 18 December 2017 - 12:05 PM

I have heard people say there was a charger leading, and that its somewhere on the other side of the bridge.

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