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#1 Steve4031

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 08:40 AM

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 09:15 AM

Because of the way the gate to platform setup is at some stations, it will still be necessary to have personnel stationed to have some order. I can't imagine NYP narrow escalators and platforms  if it was a free for all, or Chicago or Washington with no one at the door keeping people from rushing the  platforms.  Eliminating the extra document check lessens their interaction with the passengers, and may make it more pleasant.



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 11:43 AM

IMHO, this seems to be a change that is in the complete opposite direction that DHS and TSA is going, elsewhere.
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Posted 21 October 2017 - 12:49 PM

Elsewhere? Airports are fundamentally different from any ground transport station. This is just recognition of the fact that there is no point in securing the front door while the barn door in the back is open. Sanity at last.



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 01:55 PM

Elsewhere? Airports are fundamentally different from any ground transport station. This is just recognition of the fact that there is no point in securing the front door while the barn door in the back is open. Sanity at last.

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 03:20 PM

I haven't seen too many scheduled airlines leaving LaGuardia and making stops at unstaffed airports or Flag airports on the way to LA. Planes and trains are not operated the same way.



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Posted 21 October 2017 - 08:26 PM

Hey, having a country-hopper flight would be pretty cool. Like stopping at NYC, Scranton, Buffalo, Cleveland, and Toledo, on the way to Chicago.

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Posted 21 October 2017 - 09:06 PM

That would be hilariously uneconomical.
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Posted 21 October 2017 - 09:43 PM

I flew a Southwest airlines flight years ago that flew lax-phx-omh-mdw. I now pay more to fly non stop.


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Posted 21 October 2017 - 11:17 PM

Hey, having a country-hopper flight would be pretty cool. Like stopping at NYC, Scranton, Buffalo, Cleveland, and Toledo, on the way to Chicago.

You were born too late....that's the way they operated in the 1920's and '30's.... ;)


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Posted 22 October 2017 - 07:55 AM

Although I wasn't around in the 20s and 30s the Regional Airlines up until the 60s ( Ozark,Braniff,Allengeney,Piedmont,TTA etc) used to have flights like this.

I once flew on a TTA DC-3 from Colorado Springs to Albuqurque,Amarillo,Ft Worth,Dallas and Austin.

A Southwest Vegas Flight I once took went Austin,San Antonio,El Paso,Phoenix and Vegas.

Internationally I once flew on a Mexicana Flight (Jet)from San Antonio to Monterrey,San Luis Potosi,Mexico City,Acapulco,Guadalajara,Puerto Vallarta!( that was when the Beer and Tapas were still Free!😄)

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Posted 22 October 2017 - 08:11 AM

Plenty of service to smaller cities, but the passengers and airlines were not alone. They were generally staffed, even if sparsely.



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Posted 22 October 2017 - 09:32 AM

History has some real puddle jumpers.  Both National and Eastern air lines had trips that went MIA - Fll - Ft Pierce - Vero - St. Augustine - Jacksonville - Savannah - Charleston - Wilmington NC - Richmond - Washington - Baltimore - Wilmington, De - Trenton - Newark.  Now not all flights served all those cities but would skip some but still a 9 airport stop shows on early schedules.



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Posted 22 October 2017 - 10:20 AM

The thing is, there is still service to many of these airports, but now you have to use the "hub and spoke" model to make the connection, that at one time you could do via a multi-stop 'local'...


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Posted 22 October 2017 - 10:30 AM

Of relevance to this thread, as opposed to nostalgia about the good old days - ;) - All of the small airports are staffed and have TSA barriers, and there are no "flag stops" for planes.

 

trains do not operate that way. They operate through unstaffed stations and in principle it is quite impossible to prevent someone putting something on or under the train anywhere on its route, unlike in planes, where once it is up in the air the only way to interfere, unless something was put on board at the airport, is to fire a missile at it.



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Posted 22 October 2017 - 02:52 PM

In the old Piedmont days, you lined up on the tarmac, the plane came in, shut down the port engine, passengers disembarked, you loaded and were on your way. Many stops along the way!


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Posted 23 October 2017 - 03:31 AM

I haven't seen too many scheduled airlines leaving LaGuardia and making stops at unstaffed airports or Flag airports on the way to LA. Planes and trains are not operated the same way.

Never rode on the old local airplane from Philly to Ithaca and Elmira, where Elmira was a flagstop, skipped if nobody was going there?  (The "old Piedmont days" happened in upstate NY too... as late as the 1990s!)

Incidentally, it's actually the disappearance of this sort of flight which is making rail service to places like Ithaca and Elmira more commercially viable.  The puddlejumpers were serious competition; the hub-and-spoke routes are wildly inefficient for the passengers and mean that going on the ground is likely to be just as fast.


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Posted 23 October 2017 - 10:35 AM

In the old Piedmont days, you lined up on the tarmac, the plane came in, shut down the port engine, passengers disembarked, you loaded and were on your way. Many stops along the way!


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 06:49 PM

That would be hilariously uneconomical.

Not really.  The actual aircraft are still running routes like that, they just make everyone get off nowadays.  If you go look at the flight history of a random Dash 8 turboprop, they're living out their days waking up in, say, Jacksonville to run Jax, Hilton Head, Atlanta, Tri-Cities, Charlotte, Asheville, Dulles, and work their way back to Jacksonville the next day.



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Posted 24 October 2017 - 07:26 PM

Hey, having a country-hopper flight would be pretty cool. Like stopping at NYC, Scranton, Buffalo, Cleveland, and Toledo, on the way to Chicago.

Back in the 70's, I once did a Delta ORD-DTW-CLE-BTV-MHT itinerary.  It was a dinner flight, and the meal was served between Cleveland and Burlington, VT.






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