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#21 cpotisch

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:38 AM

It's a hell of a lot easier to just detach/attach a car or two, than to wye them, put 'em at the other end of the train, and flip the seats. You can't deny that much (I don't know why I said that. you will deny it).


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 12:15 PM

It's a hell of a lot easier to just detach/attach a car or two, than to wye them, put 'em at the other end of the train, and flip the seats. You can't deny that much (I don't know why I said that. you will deny it).

And you know this how?

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 02:59 PM

It's a hell of a lot easier to just detach/attach a car or two, than to wye them, put 'em at the other end of the train, and flip the seats. You can't deny that much (I don't know why I said that. you will deny it).

And you know this how?

Any time you can avoid running the wye is a good day. And for the record anyone who turns seats on a regular basis can flip them pretty fast. When it's been two of us flipping an excursion consist. As long as the seats are maintained as far as the mechanism. No reason you can't turn the car in under three minutes.
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Posted 30 May 2018 - 04:29 PM

It's a hell of a lot easier to just detach/attach a car or two, than to wye them, put 'em at the other end of the train, and flip the seats. You can't deny that much (I don't know why I said that. you will deny it).


It's not a comparison between attaching and detaching a car or two.

He's talking about how they execute the twice-annual rotation of the consist from sleepers first to coaches first.
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Posted 30 May 2018 - 04:37 PM

 

It's a hell of a lot easier to just detach/attach a car or two, than to wye them, put 'em at the other end of the train, and flip the seats. You can't deny that much (I don't know why I said that. you will deny it).


It's not a comparison between attaching and detaching a car or two.

He's talking about how they execute the twice-annual rotation of the consist from sleepers first to coaches first.

 

Oh, sorry. Well in that case, everything I said is nonsense. I guess I'm pretty freaking out of it today.  :huh:


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 05:38 PM

Nevertheless, as of 5/30 no change of the order has been executed. Sleepers remain at the front.


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 07:51 PM

I think it is cost issue.  How long does it take, how many people are required, what productivity is lost to do this maneuver?  Then multiply times six consists times twice a year, nice chuck of savings.



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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:27 PM

I think it is cost issue.  How long does it take, how many people are required, what productivity is lost to do this maneuver?  Then multiply times six consists times twice a year, nice chuck of savings.


Six minutes per car by myself. As long as the seats are maintained and they don't get stuck. I can flip the entire car in six. In ten minutes I can have all of the tray tables up, foot rests up, and seats un reclined. And that's for someone who almost never works a coach. Normally I work sleepers, sleeper lounges, lounges, and parlors. I would assume amtraks coach cleaners can do it far faster than myself because they A. Work on the cars full time. B. Amtrak seats should be in better shape than private car coaches.
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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:37 PM

That is the easy part compared to switching the cars around.  Using San Antonio as an example, I would guess an hour, maybe more with safety checks.  Requires an Engineer, several Yard personnel. Also the cost of using an engine to make the move.  If you were doing a wye, finding a time slot would be an issue based on all the train movements in Chicago.



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Posted 30 May 2018 - 10:50 PM

The Zephyr is wyed every day in Oakland.

The wye is too short to fit the entire train at one time, so it has to be cut in half and each section wyed individually. This means that reversing the order of the cars is actually less work for the switch crew, and more work for the Carmen flipping seats.

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Posted 31 May 2018 - 08:12 AM

I think it is cost issue.  How long does it take, how many people are required, what productivity is lost to do this maneuver?  Then multiply times six consists times twice a year, nice chuck of savings.


Six minutes per car by myself. As long as the seats are maintained and they don't get stuck. I can flip the entire car in six. In ten minutes I can have all of the tray tables up, foot rests up, and seats un reclined. And that's for someone who almost never works a coach. Normally I work sleepers, sleeper lounges, lounges, and parlors. I would assume amtraks coach cleaners can do it far faster than myself because they A. Work on the cars full time. B. Amtrak seats should be in better shape than private car coaches.

Yeah, I've got to agree with Lonestar. Coupling, uncoupling, and wyeing are really the main issue with reversing the sleepers/coaches.

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