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#21 brianpmcdonnell17

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 04:47 PM

I have never heard of a railroad removing road crossing gates prior to a pending severe storm.  They certainly didn't do that prior to Hurricane Harvey.  That would've taken weeks.

CSX has done it before in South Florida.

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Posted 05 September 2017 - 05:29 PM

It's part of standard operating procedures in Florida and I think all of CSX to be honest.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:05 AM

Interesting.  Then, how long does it take to put them all back?  I presume that would be a requirement before returning to normal train operation.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 10:24 AM

It doesn't take that long to remove the gates each signal maintainer normally is responsible for about thirty miles of track (at least in SC). So it's a fairly rapid process.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 11:21 AM

It doesn't take that long to remove the gates each signal maintainer normally is responsible for about thirty miles of track (at least in SC). So it's a fairly rapid process.

 

Thirty miles is a lot where I live.  Enough to included dozens of grade crossings through busy roadways, several of them four lanes wide. With all the rail fans in FL you'd think there would be plenty of videos and articles about this amazing orchestrated shutdown of the CSX system every time a major storm comes near.


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 11:28 AM

With all the rail fans in FL you'd think there would be plenty of videos and articles about this amazing orchestrated shutdown of the CSX system every time a major storm comes near.

 

I would think those Florida railfans have far more important things to do, with a major storm imminent where they reside, than film a guy taking lengths of wood off a crossing arm.  



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 11:47 AM

 

With all the rail fans in FL you'd think there would be plenty of videos and articles about this amazing orchestrated shutdown of the CSX system every time a major storm comes near.

 

I would think those Florida railfans have far more important things to do, with a major storm imminent where they reside, than film a guy taking lengths of wood off a crossing arm. 

 

I would think CSX would have more important things to do than take down every grade crossing gate before every storm.


Edited by Devil's Advocate, 06 September 2017 - 11:51 AM.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 12:18 PM

I've spent a lot of time with the CsX signal guys. It depends a lot on the territory. I can speak for my territory in which I spent time with the signal department.

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C60-C70 is managed by the Spartanburg Sub guy giving him about forty miles
Hoagie C60-C30
Ed C30-C0 plus some extra crossings in downtown Columbia.

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SG428-SG397 belongs to Mark
SG397-SG363 belongs to Rex
SG363-332 belongs to Kevin.

Now granted a lot of that is rural South Carolina but there are some fairly large cities on those routes as well. And that was the assignment last time I was in Clinton so 2014.

In times of weather emergency they tend to work together. And most of the year Hoagie and Rex work in each other's territory all year long together.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 12:57 PM

 

 

With all the rail fans in FL you'd think there would be plenty of videos and articles about this amazing orchestrated shutdown of the CSX system every time a major storm comes near.

 

I would think those Florida railfans have far more important things to do, with a major storm imminent where they reside, than film a guy taking lengths of wood off a crossing arm. 

 

I would think CSX would have more important things to do than take down every grade crossing gate before every storm.

 

 

Not at all.  With respect, I'm not sure why you find it remarkable that companies or individuals in the path of a major storm (Irma) would take precautions to protect their property.  You're going to have to reinstall the gates anyway if you leave them in place only to have them damaged or destroyed (become projectiles) by the storm; Why have to deal with unnecessary damage afterwards - when you're anxious to get the main back open - when a few prudent preparations are so much simpler.  



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 01:50 PM

The Miami Sun Sentinel reports that Tri-Rail will secure their crossing arms in the up position, if they need to.  I wonder if that's a faster operation than taking the arm off, storing it, then driving it back to its location to put it back on.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 01:51 PM

With respect, I'm not sure why you find it remarkable that companies or individuals in the path of a major storm (Irma) would take precautions to protect their property. You're going to have to reinstall the gates anyway if you leave them in place only to have them damaged or destroyed (become projectiles) by the storm; Why have to deal with unnecessary damage afterwards - when you're anxious to get the main back open - when a few prudent preparations are so much simpler.


This doesn't sound terribly simple to me, nor have I ever seen or even heard of anyone doing this previously, and I live near a major hurricane path. It's also unclear where these things would go that Irma can't reach.  Is there some sort of special underground bunker for crossing gates?  Out here crossing gates are the responsibility of the city and state, not the railroad.  If they're damaged or down the railroad can use other methods for protecting an active crossing. Not saying it's impossible that CSX does this, just that it's odd and unusual relative to my own experiences.


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 01:57 PM

With respect, I'm not sure why you find it remarkable that companies or individuals in the path of a major storm (Irma) would take precautions to protect their property. You're going to have to reinstall the gates anyway if you leave them in place only to have them damaged or destroyed (become projectiles) by the storm; Why have to deal with unnecessary damage afterwards - when you're anxious to get the main back open - when a few prudent preparations are so much simpler.


This doesn't sound terribly simple to me, nor have I ever seen or even heard of anyone doing this previously, and I live near a major hurricane path. It's also unclear where these things would go that Irma can't reach.  Is there some sort of special underground bunker for crossing gates?  Out here crossing gates are the responsibility of the city and state, not the railroad.  If they're damaged or down the railroad can use other methods for protecting an active crossing. Not saying it's impossible that CSX does this, just that it's odd and unusual relative to my own experiences.


They go to wherever is the supply depot for the signal maintainers. Usually it's in some form of old intermodal container, a building, or in a completely fenced in yard. In SC in the Piedmont area CSX has two such locations greenwood maxwell yard and Clinton, SC that I know of for fact.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 02:53 PM

I would expect cancellations to begin at least 24 hours before forecast landfall. They would not want a southbound train to get trapped in Florida in such a powerful hurricane.

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 03:18 PM

Are there any plans to move the equipment north? It would make sense for the purposes of extra capacity on Northound trains and would also protect the equipment itself in the event of severe damage to Hialeah. There was a thread in Random Discussions about the issues that flooding could cause for the Amtrak facility (the thread was about the possibility of Amtrak permanently moving the facility due to climate change).

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 03:37 PM

Right now, Amtrak has blocked reservations for all service to and from points south of Jacksonville beginning tomorrow (9/7) and extending through Monday (9/11). The Auto Train is blocked for the same period.  Blocking reservations does not necessarily equate to cancellation, but it anticipates the probability.



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Posted 06 September 2017 - 05:46 PM

I was able to get a reservation on #98 0n Sat the 9th to Was, but I just got notified they have cancelled the res because of Irma!!!

Looks like a hurricane party!!!  :huh:


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:02 PM

I'm sure that an Amtrak employee on the forum could give some insight. Also, flights may be affected (deviations at best), as the tops of storm clouds could reach 50,000 feet (about 15 km)

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:05 PM

 

From Orlando Sentinel.com 9/4/17:  Hurricane Irma forecast to be in Florida on Friday

 

http://www.orlandose...0904-story.html

 

 

Hurricane Irma is working its way through the Caribbean today and could reach Florida by Friday, forecasters say.

Meteorologists expect the Category 3 hurricane, with maximum sustained winds of 120 mph, to remain a “dangerous major hurricane” through the week and to arrive in South Florida by Friday morning.

Modeling by the National Hurricane Center shows the outer bands of the slow-moving, potentially dangerous storm lashing Key West and Miami by 8 a.m.

 

Did she slow down?  She's not expected till Sunday, now, right?


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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:24 PM

The situation remains fluid. CSX still has to weigh in.

 

 

 

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 06:31 PM

 

 

From Orlando Sentinel.com 9/4/17:  Hurricane Irma forecast to be in Florida on Friday

 

http://www.orlandose...0904-story.html

 

 

Hurricane Irma is working its way through the Caribbean today and could reach Florida by Friday, forecasters say.

Meteorologists expect the Category 3 hurricane, with maximum sustained winds of 120 mph, to remain a “dangerous major hurricane” through the week and to arrive in South Florida by Friday morning.

Modeling by the National Hurricane Center shows the outer bands of the slow-moving, potentially dangerous storm lashing Key West and Miami by 8 a.m.

 

Did she slow down?  She's not expected till Sunday, now, right?

 

The latest I have heard is that she likely will hit Miami on Sunday morning and go up the length of Florida for about 24 hours.  Our forecasters think that we will get the worst of the storm around 3am Monday.  Of course things could change. 


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