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#1 anuenue

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 02:37 PM

In a few weeks I'll be on the CZ eastbound out of Grand Junction, CO. From what I've read, that's gorgeous scenery. I'll be in Room H, with windows on both sides of the train.

If you had that room, would you stay in it or try to get a seat in the SSL? I imagine it'll be crowded and I can't stay standing. If I stay in my room, will I miss out on anything important? Also, does one side have better views than the other?

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 02:52 PM

Most definitely get a seat in the lounge.  My recommendation is to sit on the left side of the car (left when facing to the front of the train) and you'll have very nice views of the Bookcliffs leaving Grand Junction, then more scenery closer to Grand Junction when you go through two canyons on either side of Glenwood Springs.  There is a canyon outside of Junction where the river is on the Right side of the train, so may want to alternate sides some.  My experience is that you should be able to get a seat upstairs without undue trouble, just get your drinks and such lined up and settle in.  As the train descends into Denver, it's fun watching the city lights (depending on the time, if it's dark outside) since the approach somewhat feels like a plane coming in from altitude.

 

As for seeing things from Room H, you do have windows on both sides, but it's not as good of a view necessarily.  Depending on which way the car is facing, your prime scenery seat could also be your toilet, so that has it's disadvantages.  But it's better than the Family Room, which has two relatively smaller windows.

 

Have a great trip, I'm jealous!  That's one of the nicest rides.



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Posted 10 August 2017 - 03:11 PM

The H-Room and Family Room do have Windows on both sides, however they each are only 1/2 as wide as roomettes and other bedrooms. I would if at all possible go to the SSL.
Take it easy .......

Take the train instead and enjoy the ride!

The view is much better at 3 feet than it is at 30,000 feet!

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 04:44 PM

The best scenery is seen on BOTH sides of the train, sometimes on the left side and sometimes on the right side.

One of the windows in the H room is next to the commode. Which side the commode is on will be determined by which end of the sleeper car is leading.

 

While the east end of the Book Cliffs are on the left of the eastbound CZ train leaving Grand Junction the train soon enters the western end of De Beque Canyon with the Colorado River and some other interesting sights on the right side of the train.
There a nice drop in the river just after the train goes under I-70 and enters De Beque Canyon. Six miles later on the right is a roller dam.

https://www.google.c...m/data=!3m1!1e3 Zoom in. The railroad tracks are on the left of the dam. I-70 is across the river from the dam.

 

Shortly after and also on the right side of the train we get to see I-70 go across the Colorado and enter 2 tunnels just before the train also goes through a tunnel. After the tunnel we're still close enough to I-70 to see the other end of it's 2 tunnels.

 

So if you want to see most of the better sights plan on looking out both sides of the train, best done from the SSL car.

Of course it helps if you know in advance where the sights are.


Edited by KmH, 10 August 2017 - 04:52 PM.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 07:44 PM

I hope you are traveling after the summer push is over. Traveled last month and could never get a seat in the SSL, there wasn't even room to stand to take pictures.  Many in the sleepers were complaining that it was impossible in the SSL.  We got some great views out the window in our room, plus a handful of times I took a few minutes to take a few from the DC on my way from an unsuccessful attempt trying to find a place to stand in the SSL.



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Posted 10 August 2017 - 08:52 PM

I think left side is best on the eastbound CZ from Grand Junction until you reach State Bridge. Then switch to the right side until you enter the Moffat Tunnel, then back to the left side from the Tunnel to Denver.

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Posted 10 August 2017 - 10:18 PM

See for yourself what side has the best scenery by following along the route using Google Earth.  As KmH just said, BOTH sides have the best scenery.


Edited by niemi24s, 10 August 2017 - 10:21 PM.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:06 AM

See for yourself what side has the best scenery by following along the route using Google Earth.  As KmH just said, BOTH sides have the best scenery.


And if you do that, you will spot the eastbound CZ in Red Gorge, a few miles (railroad) west of Kremmling, Colorado.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:31 PM

Fortunately, I have a 7 day a week summer job at a state historical site here in Iowa and can't ride the CZ during high season.

 

But when I do ride I don't sit in one place for long and tend to move around quite a bit - SSL, Railfan window, my roomette, looking out the window at the top of the stairs in the sleeper car, sit in an unassigned coach seat for a bit, stroll up to the Transition sleeper, stand and look out the window in the door on the lower level, rinse & repeat.

 

Isn't that Gore Canyon just west of Kremmling?

I though Red Gorge was west of Burns.


Edited by KmH, 11 August 2017 - 12:40 PM.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 12:59 PM

The H-Room and Family Room do have Windows on both sides, however they each are only 1/2 as wide as roomettes and other bedrooms. I would if at all possible go to the SSL.

Plus, those windows are low to the tracks.



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 01:43 PM

Fortunately, I have a 7 day a week summer job at a state historical site here in Iowa and can't ride the CZ during high season.
 
But when I do ride I don't sit in one place for long and tend to move around quite a bit - SSL, Railfan window, my roomette, looking out the window at the top of the stairs in the sleeper car, sit in an unassigned coach seat for a bit, stroll up to the Transition sleeper, stand and look out the window in the door on the lower level, rinse & repeat.
 
Isn't that Gore Canyon just west of Kremmling?
I though Red Gorge was west of Burns.


Yes, Gore Canyon is just west of Kremmling, and Red Gorge is a bit farther west. My Google Earth app didn't show Burns, but did show Kremmling. Hence, I mentioned Kremmling to help others find the train on Google Earth.

But no guarantee how long the CZ will be there, as Google Earth frequently (more or less) updates their images.

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Posted 11 August 2017 - 06:45 PM

If accustomed to using topographical maps, they can be an excellent way to get a feeling for the terrain:  http://www.mytopo.com/maps/index.cfm?  They also show some names of places and features along the route not shown elsewhere.  As an example, the topographic map shows that between Kremmling and Dotsero CO, there are 10 named places - 5 of them appear to be nothing more than railroad sidings.  One of these is at the East end of Gore Canyon and is simply named Gore. 



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:26 PM

 

See for yourself what side has the best scenery by following along the route using Google Earth.  As KmH just said, BOTH sides have the best scenery.


And if you do that, you will spot the eastbound CZ in Red Gorge, a few miles (railroad) west of Kremmling, Colorado.

 

Look again and see the same train about two miles away. The imagery is dated 10-9-2015. Looked for more but older imagery was used nearby. As far as a view, watch for astronomical sightings during kayak season.



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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:35 PM








As far as a view, watch for astronomical sightings during kayak season.


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Posted 11 August 2017 - 08:55 PM

Full moon or crescent moon?:huh:
Take it easy .......

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The view is much better at 3 feet than it is at 30,000 feet!

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 02:24 AM

Sometimes both... ;-)

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Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:20 AM

I've never seen either when I've gone through there and starting to wonder - is this fake news?   :unsure:


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 07:09 AM

I've never seen either when I've gone through there and starting to wonder - is this fake news?   :unsure:

I haven't seen it either, but then I've only gone through twice and both times were in the Fall, so maybe too cold for the moon.  I did see a full moon while riding the first Autumn Express.



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Posted 12 August 2017 - 10:54 AM

On the CZ you can sometimes get mooned in Ruby Canyon too.

https://www.google.c...m/data=!3m1!1e3


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Posted 12 August 2017 - 11:30 AM

On one eastbound trip I was in the last sleeper and wandered back to the railfan window (end of car) to grab a couple pics as we coursed along the Colorado.  I ended up standing there for a good hour enjoying the scenery and except for the car attendant, no one else came back.  Now we had a couple PVs tied on, but I could clearly see over them and enjoyed waving to folks in the dome.






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