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#21 Devil's Advocate

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Posted 15 August 2017 - 02:19 PM

Did NARP just win some big infrastructure improvements or HSR funding?  Because this is the sort of lofty exuberance I'd expect to see at the height of a professional organization's activity and influence.  It's not what I'd expect to see from a relatively small and scattered organization of volunteers with modest means and limited influence focused on niche goals that are still struggling to find meaningful traction in today's political landscape.


Edited by Devil's Advocate, 15 August 2017 - 02:55 PM.

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 07:38 AM

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Posted 26 August 2017 - 03:54 PM

Thanks for the nudge to check out the schedule update, CH! Nice to finally see some substance to the schedule...



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Posted 26 August 2017 - 11:37 PM

Not really helpful.

Just a list of people they asked to stop by.

"CONFIRMED & INVITED SPEAKERS/PRESENTERS"

Let see some names of people who are going to be there. Very pricey event.

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 02:23 PM

I would think that the named persons are the "confirmed" presenters and the "invited" ones are the generic representatives from Brightline, Texas Central, FRA, etc. I would be surprised if that was not the case, as when planning events the rule is not to overpromise and underdeliver, but rather the opposite if at all possible.



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Posted 02 September 2017 - 03:52 PM

After careful consideration I have arrived at the conclusion that I don't see adequate ROI commensurate with the expense. So I am bailing. Hotel reservation is being canceled and transport ticket is going into voucher for future use for something more productive.

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 10:50 PM

After careful consideration I have arrived at the conclusion that I don't see adequate ROI commensurate with the expense. So I am bailing. Hotel reservation is being canceled and transport ticket is going into voucher for future use for something more productive.

If you're cancelling, then the ROI must be really bad

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Posted 04 September 2017 - 11:44 PM

 

After careful consideration I have arrived at the conclusion that I don't see adequate ROI commensurate with the expense. So I am bailing. Hotel reservation is being canceled and transport ticket is going into voucher for future use for something more productive.

If you're cancelling, then the ROI must be really bad

 

In addition to a low ROI this event also seems to have some rather questionable optics.  What exactly are we celebrating?  Decades of reductions in service and aging hardware?  Budget battles that are as tedious and contentious as they've ever been?  The simple passage of time?  Why don't we save the really big celebrations for really big wins rather than focusing on some arbitrary window of time?


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:30 AM

After careful consideration I have arrived at the conclusion that I don't see adequate ROI commensurate with the expense. So I am bailing. Hotel reservation is being canceled and transport ticket is going into voucher for future use for something more productive.

If you're cancelling, then the ROI must be really bad

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Each individual has their own factors to determine their ROI. For me it just isn't there. That does not necessarily mean that is the case for everyone.

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 10:45 AM

After careful consideration I have arrived at the conclusion that I don't see adequate ROI commensurate with the expense. So I am bailing. Hotel reservation is being canceled and transport ticket is going into voucher for future use for something more productive.

If you're cancelling, then the ROI must be really bad

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Each individual has their own factors to determine their ROI. For me it just isn't there. That does not necessarily mean that is the case for everyone.
Right, it was not meant as a criticism. More pointing out that if one of our more knowledgeable and involved AU members has decided the event is not worth it, then it's a huge red flag that the event is definitely not worth it for the more casual members here.

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:12 AM

I'm still a bit confused as to why it's significantly cheaper for a government employee to attend this than it is for a NARP member to attend. If it's supposed to be a NARP celebration/conference, why not make the most attractive offers to NARP members - the people who support the organization month to month (or year to year?) While there's certainly people in government that are trying to advance the same items NARP is trying to advance, it's not as universal as those who are NARP members and have already given money to the organization.



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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:33 AM

I agree Jeb.

But as a Retired Govt. Employee who attended many events on Uncle Sam's Dime,almost all such Programs,including Travel, offer Special Governnment Rates.

Government per diem isn't much, you certainly don't live the Life of Riley on the Road as a Civil Servant. ( Officials are another Story!)

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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:41 AM

I'm still a bit confused as to why it's significantly cheaper for a government employee to attend this than it is for a NARP member to attend. If it's supposed to be a NARP celebration/conference, why not make the most attractive offers to NARP members - the people who support the organization month to month (or year to year?) While there's certainly people in government that are trying to advance the same items NARP is trying to advance, it's not as universal as those who are NARP members and have already given money to the organization.

 

Not only is it more expensive for you, the fact that you're paying your own way is being advertised to the people who actually matter (corporate sponsors)...
 

Who Will Be Attending Rail Nation?

Officials from state & regional Departments of Transportation

Senior staff from Amtrak, commuter rail operators & transit agencies

Leading transportation researchers & educators

International high speed rail experts

Federal, state & local elected representatives

Highly engaged passengers

International stakeholders and domestic stakeholders from all 50 states

Those actively involved in state and regional advocacy organizations that help shape local
transportation priorities

All ages - from motivated college students to avid travelers representing the senior
population

Knowledgeable public transportation system users who take frequent intercity & regional
rail trips

Attendees with diverse professional backgrounds - many with advanced educational
degrees

Experienced international travelers with higher disposable incomes

Volunteer citizens advocates who will be paying their own way to participate


Why Participate in Rail Nation?

Be an active part of the citizen advocacy movement advancing high speed
rail in the United States.

Directly connect with & inform rail advocates who have a proven record
of positively shaping federal & state transportation policy and funding
priorities.

Showcase your organizations products and services to a highly
knowledgeable group of end-consumers - the rail passengers.


Take advantage of this unique opportunity to directly market rail travel
services, publications and products
to frequent rail users.


Paying serious money to put myself in a position where I'm the one being lobbied makes little sense to me.

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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:09 PM

NARP is throwing a big party for its 50th anniversary, in Chicago early in November (Nov 2 - 5)

 

See https://www.narprail...nation-chicago/

 

I was looking forward to it, until I started calculating the cost that is. Turns out that I can pretty much do a round trip to India in Coach for the cost of the Hotel, Registration, Gala Dinner etc. etc. all put together, even before I add in the cost of transport to get there and back. Which is now giving me a bit of a pause. What are the rest of y'all involved with NARP planning to do?

 

I might still make it there, staying at a cheaper hotel or some such. We'll See. But wow! It was a bit of a shock!

 

Well, I'm going, but my stocks have been doing *very well* this year (well enough to pay for an extension on my house), so it's not feeling expensive to me this year.

 

(Flying to India isn't an option for me since we don't fly, and this is still a lot cheaper than a round trip on the Queen Mary 2.  And I have to stay in fancy hotels anyway in order to get cotton sheets, and go to everything-made-from-scratch restaurants to get food without guar gum.  So it's ending up comparable to the price of a typical trip to Chicago for me.  Unfortunately, that's my life with allergies.  In addition, I have plenty of other reasons to visit Chicago.)

Also, if they're going to try to lobby *me*... well, I've got some very definite opinions about the publication of ingredients lists which I would love to share with Amtrak's management before I have to hire a lawyer to sue Amtrak.  Which I may do in 2018 (I'm quite busy this year).

From what I know of gala dinners at conventions, they're always really expensive and intended to some extent as a fundraiser.  Always.  There's a reason they're broken out separately.  So honestly, unless you're feeling flush this year, skip that.
 

Regarding the convention price... maybe someone should ask Jim Matthews why they don't have different prices depending on how early people registered.  It's a good question.


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Posted 14 September 2017 - 04:16 PM

Yup my portfolio performance will be able to fund this, a trip to India, a trip to the UK and then some. The issue was finding enough vacation days or taking days off without pay. Turns out that through a turn of fate two days that were unavailable for this has become available, so chances are looking better. But I will hold off on registering till later since there is no point in unnecessarily tying up money for months for no reason.


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Posted 15 September 2017 - 04:03 PM

Richard Anderson now confirmed for 2 November...

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 04:17 PM

Richard Anderson now confirmed for 2 November...


Which sadly show the list of people that we have seen were invited and not confirmed.

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Posted 15 September 2017 - 06:24 PM

 

 

Opps...We got a little ahead of oursleves in our previous message!

Amtrak CEO Richard Anderson's participation in RailNation Chicago is still being finalized.

We are sorry for any confusion! 

NARP Staff



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Posted 15 September 2017 - 07:59 PM

It just gets better....

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Posted 17 September 2017 - 02:33 AM

So dinner is at Alinea?






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