Jump to content




Help Support AmtrakTrains.com by donating using the link above or becoming a Supporting Member.

Photo

CUS electrification


  • Please log in to reply
52 replies to this topic

#21 Lonestar648

Lonestar648

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,551 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Texas

Posted 04 August 2017 - 02:26 PM

I was just visit several people in Illinois earlier this summer.  Several stated that they were actively looking at leaving Illinois with the prospect of increased taxes.  So if Illinois raises taxes, but fewer pay the taxes by not working or by moving to another state (individuals and businesses), how is Illinois ahead?  Wouldn't they stay at the same level or possibly worse?


Trains Traveled On:
Texas Eagle                                      Sunset Limited                            California Zephyr                                Southwest Chief                Empire Builder            Capitol Limited           Lake Shore limited (NYP & BOS)      Crescent
Kentucky Cardinal                             Cardinal                                       Pere Marquette                                  Wolverines                        Lincoln Service            Empire Service          Keystone Service                               Acelas
NE Regionals                                    Pioneer                                        Desert Wind                                       Broadway Limited             Three Rivers                 Coast Starlight                          
 
Amtrak Miles Logged: over 211,000


#22 Ryan

Ryan

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,454 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:OTN
  • Interests:a fact checker combined with a ferret

Posted 04 August 2017 - 05:10 PM

Anecdotes are not data and talk is cheap.

This also has nothing to do with electrification at CHI. Take your debunked economic theories elsewhere.

Edited by Ryan, 04 August 2017 - 05:11 PM.

Posted Image

Disclaimer: Any images or links you see in my post may in fact be invasive advertising or even fraudulent phishing attacks silently injected into my post by our spam based hosting service. If anything looks suspicious or inappropriate or you have any doubt whatsoever then do not click any links (particularly those appearing in green and/or with a double underline) or interact with the spam in any way. You may also want to consider using ad-blocking plugins such as Adblock Plus and/or Ghostery)to help reduce the number and severity of advertising scams directed at you.

#23 Green Maned Lion

Green Maned Lion

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,549 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NJ
  • Interests:Sleeping

Posted 05 August 2017 - 10:11 AM

I haven't met many people who are going uproot family and friends over minor tax increases on a state level. They talk about it, sure. Talks cheap.
Travelled: Broadway Limited (1), Lake Shore Limited (6), Capitol Limited (7), Empire Builder (1), Southwest Chief (2), Sunset Limited (1), California Zephyr (3), Coast Starlight (2), Silver Meteor (5), Silver Star (5), Silver Palm (2), Crescent (1), Cardinal (4), Auto Train (4), Pennsylvanian (2), Palmetto (1), Acela Express (1), Empire Service (1), Northeast Regional (11), Keystone Service (1) --- Total Miles: 50,144 --- Total Trains: 61
Most important: Keep it Simple, Stupid!
Posted Image
Dream of love, dream of me, for you are my love. I love you.
Avatar and sig were done by my fiance, Corvidophile.

#24 RSG

RSG

    OBS Chief

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 394 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rocky Mountains USA
  • Interests:Travel, rail travel, libraries, current events

Posted 06 August 2017 - 04:26 AM

I was just visit several people in Illinois earlier this summer.  Several stated that they were actively looking at leaving Illinois with the prospect of increased taxes.  So if Illinois raises taxes, but fewer pay the taxes by not working or by moving to another state (individuals and businesses), how is Illinois ahead?  Wouldn't they stay at the same level or possibly worse?

 
We've been told that won't happen. So there. But let's take a look at the same practice in microcosm. Last year Cook County IL put a sin tax on pre-sweetened beverages. After a lengthy delay for implementation and a court challenge with several extensions, it finally went into effect this past week. The chair of the county commission was wailing how much the delay in implementation was costing the County because they had already worked the expected future revenues into the current budget. Before any tax was even collected. How much do you want to bet that the expected revenues will decrease over the coming months, particularly since many shoppers in Cook County can go to the collar counties without the tax and purchase their naughty drinks?
 
The City & County Of Philadelphia already implemented a similar tax last year. Revenues are down over projections. The powers that be are shocked, particularly since they, too, are relying on the sinful beverage tax as a cash cow (while at the same time desiring to decrease consumption). But expect more governmental bodies to follow suit nonetheless.



#25 Green Maned Lion

Green Maned Lion

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,549 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NJ
  • Interests:Sleeping

Posted 06 August 2017 - 06:20 AM

Driving a County over to buy something is different than moving there. Heck, Philadelphians have been shopping at Christiana Mall in Delaware (0% sales tax) instead of Neshaminy Mall (8% sales tax) for years. There are a lot reasons people want to move out of Philly (and very few good reasons not to move out of that hell hole) but I can assure you that taxes are not a primary one on residents minds.
Travelled: Broadway Limited (1), Lake Shore Limited (6), Capitol Limited (7), Empire Builder (1), Southwest Chief (2), Sunset Limited (1), California Zephyr (3), Coast Starlight (2), Silver Meteor (5), Silver Star (5), Silver Palm (2), Crescent (1), Cardinal (4), Auto Train (4), Pennsylvanian (2), Palmetto (1), Acela Express (1), Empire Service (1), Northeast Regional (11), Keystone Service (1) --- Total Miles: 50,144 --- Total Trains: 61
Most important: Keep it Simple, Stupid!
Posted Image
Dream of love, dream of me, for you are my love. I love you.
Avatar and sig were done by my fiance, Corvidophile.

#26 railiner

railiner

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,083 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Queens, NY
  • Interests:All public transportation....land, sea, and air

Posted 06 August 2017 - 09:14 AM

 

I was just visit several people in Illinois earlier this summer.  Several stated that they were actively looking at leaving Illinois with the prospect of increased taxes.  So if Illinois raises taxes, but fewer pay the taxes by not working or by moving to another state (individuals and businesses), how is Illinois ahead?  Wouldn't they stay at the same level or possibly worse?

 
We've been told that won't happen. So there. But let's take a look at the same practice in microcosm. Last year Cook County IL put a sin tax on pre-sweetened beverages. After a lengthy delay for implementation and a court challenge with several extensions, it finally went into effect this past week. The chair of the county commission was wailing how much the delay in implementation was costing the County because they had already worked the expected future revenues into the current budget. Before any tax was even collected. How much do you want to bet that the expected revenues will decrease over the coming months, particularly since many shoppers in Cook County can go to the collar counties without the tax and purchase their naughty drinks?
 
The City & County Of Philadelphia already implemented a similar tax last year. Revenues are down over projections. The powers that be are shocked, particularly since they, too, are relying on the sinful beverage tax as a cash cow (while at the same time desiring to decrease consumption). But expect more governmental bodies to follow suit nonetheless.

 

Interesting....talk about a 'regressive' tax....the inner city people, the ones that probably suffer the most from over-consumption of the target drinks, will probably just pay it and keep on drinking, while those close to the suburban counties, and probably less likely to over-indulge in the sweet drinks can avoid the new tax easily.....


metroblue?

okay on the blue!

#27 Lonestar648

Lonestar648

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,551 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Texas

Posted 06 August 2017 - 10:55 AM

Are companies and individuals moving away from high taxes?? Check out the growth of Frisco, Texas just north of Dallas, the fastest growing city is the US. The city is mostly transplants for high tax states like California, New York, and/or economic hurt areas like Illinois and Michigan. Toyota, USA is moving their entire corporate office from California to Texas. Toyota said all their employees got a raise just by moving, no income tax and lower gas prices. If you could get 6% - 10% a year or more, would you consider moving. In California, with the high salaries, that could be $8,000 - $12,000 increase a year. How many are moving for just this one company? Over 4000. Yes, people are moving. We moved from Chicago, due to the job market. I have several friends who moved from Michigan and Illinois due to the economy.and taxes. The higher the taxes rise, the more people and companies will consider relocating.

Trains Traveled On:
Texas Eagle                                      Sunset Limited                            California Zephyr                                Southwest Chief                Empire Builder            Capitol Limited           Lake Shore limited (NYP & BOS)      Crescent
Kentucky Cardinal                             Cardinal                                       Pere Marquette                                  Wolverines                        Lincoln Service            Empire Service          Keystone Service                               Acelas
NE Regionals                                    Pioneer                                        Desert Wind                                       Broadway Limited             Three Rivers                 Coast Starlight                          
 
Amtrak Miles Logged: over 211,000


#28 neroden

neroden

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,100 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Ithaca, NY
  • Interests:Please feel free to moderate my posts

Posted 06 August 2017 - 01:14 PM

On the other hand, people are relocating away from states which don't provide reasonable levels of public services, to states which do provide public services (and of course, have higher taxes).  Kansas cut taxes and services and watched everyone and every business move across the border to Missouri, which has higher taxes and better services.

 

Texas is bad, though not Kansas bad, when it comes to public services, and I know a large number of people who have done whatever they can to move out of Texas because of its insufficient public services.  The caveat to that is that *certain cities* within Texas are providing the public services which the state is not providing. Eventually, however, those cities are going to need to raise taxes in order to keep it up.

 

Paying less in taxes is completely worthless if you end up having to pay for private school (because the public schools have been trashed as in Kansas), pay for out-of-pocket medical care (because there's no decent health insurance), pay for bottled water (because your city water is toxic), etc. etc.


Edited by neroden, 06 August 2017 - 01:16 PM.

--Nathanael--

Please feel free to moderate my posts.

#29 neroden

neroden

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,100 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Ithaca, NY
  • Interests:Please feel free to moderate my posts

Posted 06 August 2017 - 01:18 PM

"If you could get 6% - 10% a year or more, would you consider moving."

 

To Texas?  No way in hell. 

 

Everyone I know who's moved from a healthy state to Texas has regretted it.  Sometimes because of the endemic racism, sometimes because of the endemic sexism, sometimes because of the homophobia, occasionally because of the corrupt legal system, often because of the derelict state of public health services...  many of them are trying to find a way to get out of Texas again but can't afford to.  Others did get out.

 

It's a trap.

 

Many of them found that their out-of-pocket expenses went up.  Turned out those taxes were paying for services which you have to buy privately in Texas.


Edited by neroden, 06 August 2017 - 01:21 PM.

--Nathanael--

Please feel free to moderate my posts.

#30 Ryan

Ryan

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,454 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:OTN
  • Interests:a fact checker combined with a ferret

Posted 06 August 2017 - 01:33 PM

Are companies and individuals moving away from high taxes?? Check out the growth of Frisco, Texas just north of Dallas, the fastest growing city is the US. The city is mostly transplants for high tax states like California, New York, and/or economic hurt areas like Illinois and Michigan. Toyota, USA is moving their entire corporate office from California to Texas. Toyota said all their employees got a raise just by moving, no income tax and lower gas prices. If you could get 6% - 10% a year or more, would you consider moving. In California, with the high salaries, that could be $8,000 - $12,000 increase a year. How many are moving for just this one company? Over 4000. Yes, people are moving. We moved from Chicago, due to the job market. I have several friends who moved from Michigan and Illinois due to the economy.and taxes. The higher the taxes rise, the more people and companies will consider relocating.


Interesting, I guess, but still irrelevant (doesn't prove your initial contention that tax revenue goes down as tax rates go up) and still wildly off topic for the conversation at hand. Maybe this time you'll consider dropping it.
Posted Image

Disclaimer: Any images or links you see in my post may in fact be invasive advertising or even fraudulent phishing attacks silently injected into my post by our spam based hosting service. If anything looks suspicious or inappropriate or you have any doubt whatsoever then do not click any links (particularly those appearing in green and/or with a double underline) or interact with the spam in any way. You may also want to consider using ad-blocking plugins such as Adblock Plus and/or Ghostery)to help reduce the number and severity of advertising scams directed at you.

#31 norfolkwesternhenry

norfolkwesternhenry

    OBS Chief

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 463 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Minneapolis, MN
  • Interests:Trains, Boating, Trains, Mountain Biking, Trains, Having Fun, Trains, working on my bikes, Trains, planning my next trip, PV, trains, planning trips for family

Posted 14 August 2017 - 10:57 PM

So I was in CUS almost a week ago, and I remember there were a lot of fumes, and a suprising number got into the station, which didn't bother me, but I'm sure it bothered others. What if (yeah, I know it's real unlikely) third rail electrification was mandatory on all regular trains (perhaps exceptions can be made for excursions, as they are rare and pose no threat to regular conditions), like in Manhattan, so as to eliminate issues with fumes in the station. Also, overhead wire would work, but I know people will complain about Superliner clearances, but if they are moving everything to Viewliner, there shouldn't be an issue onve they switch, just slap a 5 MPH restriction on the Superliners in the station.

 
Electrification, especially just within terminal areas, is not really a practical solution even if there were a severe problem with exhaust.  Regardless, improved ventilation would be far less expensive.  
 
Where did you ever get the (mistaken) idea Amtrak was "moving everything to Viewliner" ?  
Well I was talking with a conductor and he said everything will be moving to Viewliner, because Amtrak bought the plans from Budd when it went bankrupt, so if it can make it's own cars that saves a lot of money.

Sent from my SM-G930P using Amtrak Forum mobile app

Empire Builder MSP-CHI (2) CHI-MSP (2) MSP-PDX (1) MSP-CBS (5.5 H late) (1) MKE-MSP (1) MSP-SEA (1) Coast Starlate PDX-EMY (1.5H late) (1) California Zephyr DEN-SLC (1H late) (1) Hiawatha CHI-MKE (1) NE Regional WAS-BAL (1) WAS-NYP (1) Acela Express BAL-WAS (1) BOS-WAS (1) Late Shore (Limited service) CHI-BOS (On Time) (1) Capitol Limited WAS-CHI (1) Texas Eagle SAS-CHI (1.5 HR late, 1 HR late) (2) CHI-SAS (1) (55 min early) Wolverine DET-DER-ARB-CHI (35 Min late) (1) Cascades SEA-VAC (1)
Non-Amtrak: VIA: Corridor Service Q.C.-Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto-Windsor (1) Canadian: VAC-Winnipeg 4.5 H late (1) D. C. metro, Montreal Metro, Toronto subway, Portland streetcars, BART, Metra, NYC subway, Boston subway, Twin cities Blue/Green line
train cars travelled in: Superliner: Coach, Sleeper, Diner, CCC, SSL. Amfleet: LD Café, Café/Business, coach. Viewliner: Sleeper, Diner. Acela: Café, Business, quiet car. Horizon: Coach. Talgo: coach, diner, café; non Amtrak: ex CP Via Canadian Manor cars, Park car, diner,sleeper, Skyline lounge. LRC trainset: coach (tilt de-activated)

No trees were killed to make this, but a number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

My apologies if I offend you, or seem stubborn, it's simply my nature. I am 14 after all, and my English isn't exactly perfect.


#32 Ryan

Ryan

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,454 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:OTN
  • Interests:a fact checker combined with a ferret

Posted 15 August 2017 - 06:29 AM

I would definitely trust a Conductor to be an authoritative source of information on Amtrak’s long term build plans.
Posted Image

Disclaimer: Any images or links you see in my post may in fact be invasive advertising or even fraudulent phishing attacks silently injected into my post by our spam based hosting service. If anything looks suspicious or inappropriate or you have any doubt whatsoever then do not click any links (particularly those appearing in green and/or with a double underline) or interact with the spam in any way. You may also want to consider using ad-blocking plugins such as Adblock Plus and/or Ghostery)to help reduce the number and severity of advertising scams directed at you.

#33 jis

jis

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 19,775 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Space Coast, Florida, Area code 3-2-1
  • Interests:Trains, Planes and Travel

Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:55 AM

ROTFL. :D



#34 Devil's Advocate

Devil's Advocate

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,046 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Америка
  • Interests:Travel by Planes, Trains, and Automobiles

Posted 15 August 2017 - 12:28 PM

ROTFL. :D


Photos or it didn't happen.   :ph34r:


We've got provisions and lots of beer. The key word is survival on the new frontier. 


#35 Ryan

Ryan

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,454 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:OTN
  • Interests:a fact checker combined with a ferret

Posted 15 August 2017 - 05:49 PM

Attached File  kleJ2jJ.gif   6.96MB   12 downloads
Posted Image

Disclaimer: Any images or links you see in my post may in fact be invasive advertising or even fraudulent phishing attacks silently injected into my post by our spam based hosting service. If anything looks suspicious or inappropriate or you have any doubt whatsoever then do not click any links (particularly those appearing in green and/or with a double underline) or interact with the spam in any way. You may also want to consider using ad-blocking plugins such as Adblock Plus and/or Ghostery)to help reduce the number and severity of advertising scams directed at you.

#36 A Voice

A Voice

    Conductor

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 727 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 15 August 2017 - 06:16 PM

 

ROTFL. :D


Photos or it didn't happen.   :ph34r:

 

 

 

 

Jis is a bit younger than I thought.....   :)



#37 brianpmcdonnell17

brianpmcdonnell17

    Conductor

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 630 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 15 August 2017 - 09:18 PM

As most members on here do, I doubt every train will become Viewliner in the near future. Such a move would require a huge car order. In addition, Amtrak would either have to deal with mixed consists or convert entire trains at once as the cars have different floor heights than Superliners. Add this to the potential platform length and height issues and the lack of a sightseer lounge on Western tourist-oriented trains and such a move makes little to no sense.

Sent from my SM-J327P using Amtrak Forum mobile app
Trains travelled: Capitol Limited WAS-CHI, Cardinal CHI-WAS, Carolinian CLT-RGH, Coast Starlight SJC-LAX, Crescent BAL-ATL, Empire Builder MSP-CHI, Empire Service NYP-NFL+NYG-YNY, Lake Shore Limited BOS-ALB, Maple Leaf ALB-NYP, Northeast Regional FBG-RVR+WAS-BOS, Pacific Surfliner LAX-ANA, Pennsylvanian NYP-PGH, Piedmont RGH-DNC, Silver Meteor ORL-NYP, Silver Star FTL-WAS, 2016 Autumn Express NYP-HAR-NYP

Upcoming New Routes: Lake Shore Limited NYP-CHI (December), California Zephyr CHI-RIC (December), Coast Starlight SJC-SEA (December), Empire Builder SEA-MSP (January).

Non Amtrak: Atlanta Streetcar, Caltrain, CTA, DC Streetcar, Hudson-Bergen Light Rail, LIRR, MARC, MARTA, MBTA Subway, Metra, Metrolink, Metro-North, METRO Transit Light Rail, Miami Metrorail, Muni Metro, NJT Commuter Rail, North Star, NYC Subway, PATH, Pittsburgh Light Rail, River Line (NJT), SEPTA Regional Rail, SEPTA Subway, South Shore Line, Sunrail, Staten Island Railway, TECO Streetcar, Tri-Rail, Washington Metro

#38 norfolkwesternhenry

norfolkwesternhenry

    OBS Chief

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 463 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Minneapolis, MN
  • Interests:Trains, Boating, Trains, Mountain Biking, Trains, Having Fun, Trains, working on my bikes, Trains, planning my next trip, PV, trains, planning trips for family

Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:11 PM

As most members on here do, I doubt every train will become Viewliner in the near future. Such a move would require a huge car order. In addition, Amtrak would either have to deal with mixed consists or convert entire trains at once as the cars have different floor heights than Superliners. Add this to the potential platform length and height issues and the lack of a sightseer lounge on Western tourist-oriented trains and such a move makes little to no sense.

Sent from my SM-J327P using Amtrak Forum mobile app

While I agree, he did his research. Superliners are the best cars IMHO for passengers but apparantly crews hate them, though I do think it's possible to chop a SSL and make it into a good single level car, putting the cafe where the stairs and wet bar are located.

Sent from my SM-G930P using Amtrak Forum mobile app

Empire Builder MSP-CHI (2) CHI-MSP (2) MSP-PDX (1) MSP-CBS (5.5 H late) (1) MKE-MSP (1) MSP-SEA (1) Coast Starlate PDX-EMY (1.5H late) (1) California Zephyr DEN-SLC (1H late) (1) Hiawatha CHI-MKE (1) NE Regional WAS-BAL (1) WAS-NYP (1) Acela Express BAL-WAS (1) BOS-WAS (1) Late Shore (Limited service) CHI-BOS (On Time) (1) Capitol Limited WAS-CHI (1) Texas Eagle SAS-CHI (1.5 HR late, 1 HR late) (2) CHI-SAS (1) (55 min early) Wolverine DET-DER-ARB-CHI (35 Min late) (1) Cascades SEA-VAC (1)
Non-Amtrak: VIA: Corridor Service Q.C.-Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto-Windsor (1) Canadian: VAC-Winnipeg 4.5 H late (1) D. C. metro, Montreal Metro, Toronto subway, Portland streetcars, BART, Metra, NYC subway, Boston subway, Twin cities Blue/Green line
train cars travelled in: Superliner: Coach, Sleeper, Diner, CCC, SSL. Amfleet: LD Café, Café/Business, coach. Viewliner: Sleeper, Diner. Acela: Café, Business, quiet car. Horizon: Coach. Talgo: coach, diner, café; non Amtrak: ex CP Via Canadian Manor cars, Park car, diner,sleeper, Skyline lounge. LRC trainset: coach (tilt de-activated)

No trees were killed to make this, but a number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

My apologies if I offend you, or seem stubborn, it's simply my nature. I am 14 after all, and my English isn't exactly perfect.


#39 norfolkwesternhenry

norfolkwesternhenry

    OBS Chief

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 463 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Minneapolis, MN
  • Interests:Trains, Boating, Trains, Mountain Biking, Trains, Having Fun, Trains, working on my bikes, Trains, planning my next trip, PV, trains, planning trips for family

Posted 15 August 2017 - 11:14 PM

Regardless of what kind of cars are used, I think Superliners should fit under catenary wire, though I'd rather third rail since it's cheapers and would work just fine for the job of getting rid of the majority of fumes, if all locos were dual mode then it wouldn't even cost any time for trains, no loco swaps.

Sent from my SM-G930P using Amtrak Forum mobile app

Empire Builder MSP-CHI (2) CHI-MSP (2) MSP-PDX (1) MSP-CBS (5.5 H late) (1) MKE-MSP (1) MSP-SEA (1) Coast Starlate PDX-EMY (1.5H late) (1) California Zephyr DEN-SLC (1H late) (1) Hiawatha CHI-MKE (1) NE Regional WAS-BAL (1) WAS-NYP (1) Acela Express BAL-WAS (1) BOS-WAS (1) Late Shore (Limited service) CHI-BOS (On Time) (1) Capitol Limited WAS-CHI (1) Texas Eagle SAS-CHI (1.5 HR late, 1 HR late) (2) CHI-SAS (1) (55 min early) Wolverine DET-DER-ARB-CHI (35 Min late) (1) Cascades SEA-VAC (1)
Non-Amtrak: VIA: Corridor Service Q.C.-Montreal-Ottawa-Toronto-Windsor (1) Canadian: VAC-Winnipeg 4.5 H late (1) D. C. metro, Montreal Metro, Toronto subway, Portland streetcars, BART, Metra, NYC subway, Boston subway, Twin cities Blue/Green line
train cars travelled in: Superliner: Coach, Sleeper, Diner, CCC, SSL. Amfleet: LD Café, Café/Business, coach. Viewliner: Sleeper, Diner. Acela: Café, Business, quiet car. Horizon: Coach. Talgo: coach, diner, café; non Amtrak: ex CP Via Canadian Manor cars, Park car, diner,sleeper, Skyline lounge. LRC trainset: coach (tilt de-activated)

No trees were killed to make this, but a number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

My apologies if I offend you, or seem stubborn, it's simply my nature. I am 14 after all, and my English isn't exactly perfect.


#40 jis

jis

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 19,775 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Space Coast, Florida, Area code 3-2-1
  • Interests:Trains, Planes and Travel

Posted 16 August 2017 - 07:18 AM

Who told you third rail is cheaper? Besides the fact that Thirdrail would be most offended :) , that is actually not true for mainline electrification in this century. That is why no one does it unless they are forced to by some other factors.

 

Making all locos dual mode is lunacy. Carrying around the extra weight and incurring the extra cost of acquisition and maintenance on all locos so that they can run 3 miles on the other mode out of their 200 to 2,000 mile run is crazy. It is easier and more cost effective to put in all the duct work and exhaust fans necessary to suck out all fumes form the train shed.






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users