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#41 west point

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Posted 07 August 2017 - 09:41 PM

Fixing the Welton branch would probably only come with the Sunset becoming a daily train ?



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Posted 07 August 2017 - 09:44 PM

Once Sen "Amtrak doesn't serve my State." McCain is replaced, ( hopefully by someone with sense) and the Dems get control of the Congress and Senate again, things should look up for Amtrak.

Don't think you'll ever see the Sunset serve Phoenix again though!
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Posted 20 March 2018 - 02:03 PM

If Arizona wants to pay for it, I have proposed a corridor service going Los Angeles-Phoenix-Tuscon.



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Posted 21 March 2018 - 05:52 PM

Of course, UP would be very cooperative with that idea.

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 01:33 PM

Could commuter rail ever reach Tuscon from Phoenix? Would not require much new track work. 



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 01:55 PM

Or Tucson and Phoenix could simply extend their LRT systems to join up midway :)



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Posted 05 April 2018 - 06:42 PM

Could commuter rail ever reach Tuscon from Phoenix? Would not require much new track work. 

It requires no new trackwork.  The embargoed line is west of Phoenix to the mainline at Wellton outside Yuma.  The UP Phoenix branch between Phoenix and the mainline at Picacho Jct. is in fine shape.

 

What it requires is cooperation of UP and, again, money, for platforms, new/lengthened sidings UP would no doubt demand and money to UP for "cooperation".


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 05:07 AM

Under present Amtrak administration appears that Amtrak would not be willing to put a dollar into a routing thru PHX ?



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Posted 06 April 2018 - 05:21 AM

Could commuter rail ever reach Tuscon from Phoenix? Would not require much new track work. 

There has been some efforts made to make that happen. For Amtrak, it would setup a situation similar to Caltrain in the San Francisco area. In that case, Amtrak still busses passengers from Oakland to San Francisco rather than advertise Caltrain from San Jose, although some passengers use it anyway when coming from points south on the CS. When coming from the north/east, it is very roundabout. I made the connection from Caltrain to the northbound CS in December, but very few passengers would make that choice unless they have a strong hate for busses.
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Posted 07 April 2018 - 06:13 PM

The political atmosphere in Arizona is not right for rail expansion, maybe sometime in the future things will change.

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Posted 08 April 2018 - 03:12 PM

 

Could commuter rail ever reach Tuscon from Phoenix? Would not require much new track work. 

There has been some efforts made to make that happen. For Amtrak, it would setup a situation similar to Caltrain in the San Francisco area. In that case, Amtrak still busses passengers from Oakland to San Francisco rather than advertise Caltrain from San Jose, although some passengers use it anyway when coming from points south on the CS. When coming from the north/east, it is very roundabout. I made the connection from Caltrain to the northbound CS in December, but very few passengers would make that choice unless they have a strong hate for busses.

 

I suppose it could be easy for Amtrak to make CalTrain a Thruway Service, though that would involve paper tickets unless they can come to some sort of understanding on CalTrain accepting Amtrak eTicket bar/QR codes.



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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:23 PM

Fixing the Welton branch would probably only come with the Sunset becoming a daily train ?

And either fixing up the tracks through Phoenix *or* running a daily train would require political support from Arizona, which is signally lacking.  (Which is why Amtrak doesn't serve Phoenix right now.)


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Posted 11 April 2018 - 09:27 PM

n terms of political will, I think there may be light at the end of the tunnel here: AZ is trending Democratic in recent elections, and if this trend continues, soon pro-rail officials could be elected to state and federal offices in AZ. That would probably increase the likelihood of funding being dedicated to fixing up the Wellton Branch.

While you might be right, Arizona's trend is moving very slowly.  Nevada, New Hampshire, and Florida are all shifting faster.


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:33 AM

The big Senate roadblock could retire soon.



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Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:19 PM

He's not the big roadblock. Look at the Arizona Governor and the legislature. :-(

For contrast, look at New Mexico.
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Posted 16 April 2018 - 04:42 PM

Well, so many regular folks have absolutely no clue about passenger rail. At a church group breakfast last year, a gentleman was going on and on about If a train was to come to the area how it would bring so many homeless people, degrading the real estate market. I asked how. His response and now quite a few others too, the only people who ride trains are the homeless. Asked where they got this notion, they pointed to the anti rail proponents who work nationally. I asked them if the 30 plus million who ride just Amtrak are homeless, if the 100k who ride trains daily in the Chicago area are homeless, and who pays the billions of dollars for these "homeless" people to ride. I was told the government pays Amtrak almost 2 Billon a year to carry them.

Now my friends know better, agree that in this area so many are ignorant. It has gotten now, that when ever I take a long trip, especially with one of my granddaughters, they all want to hear about the trip in detail. I managed to get my doctor to take his family on a trip this past summer to California. They loved it, but I also prepared them well so they could handle any issue that might come up. He has a couple photos up of them on the train.

I think the pro rail group needs to do better marketing in the anti rail states. Even a Govenor who very anti rail, notices when more and more communications from the voters request passenger rail.




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