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#21 norfolkwesternhenry

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:02 PM

I will admit to talking in the quiet car, I was coming from another car and didn't immediately notice the sign. Luckily, I only recieved a few stern looks. I think there should be a two reminder rule, where after the two reminders, you get off the train.

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Posted 13 June 2017 - 02:09 PM

I use the headphone solution and leave others alone. Even so, I have to remember that even though I can't hear others they can still hear me.

Just get yourself a fish bowl with a breathing apparatus to stick it over your head. Problem solved :D



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Posted 14 June 2017 - 08:36 PM

Quiet car is greatest innovation known to mankind imho. For $-0- (the "Quiet Car" signs probably don't cost too much) provider of quiet car, whether Amtrak or any other carrier, improves experience exponentially for a cohort of customers.
 
Not sure how anyone can have a problem with someone IN the quiet car informing others seated IN the quiet car of the rules--since some don't see the signs, some don't know the rules, and some are inconsiderate. Can the "enforcers" be a little-heavy handed? Sure, as in all walks of life. So what? If a passenger is on their cell-phone or talking loudly in the quiet car, they are breaking rules others are relying on to read, work, sleep, whatever. There is a whole train full of non-quiet cars just steps away...


I don't have a problem with quiet cars. If you sit there, follow the rules. If you don't want to, move elsewhere.

I do have a problem with passengers admonishing others for talking at a reasonable volume, outside the quiet car. This is especially bad on commuter trains....

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Posted 15 June 2017 - 09:27 AM


I do have a problem with passengers admonishing others for talking at a reasonable volume, outside the quiet car. This is especially bad on commuter trains....

 

 

There's the problem. How does one define "reasonable?"  Some people think they are reasonable even though they are (in the minds of others) screaming.  This is particularly true when people traveling together, sit across the aisle from the other instead of sitting next to each other and start bantering. 

 

Some would classify that as unreasonable.


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Posted 15 June 2017 - 07:50 PM

The new generation wireless noise canceling headphones are a part of the personal solution. ;)

 

It apparently is too much to expect the public to behave with much consideration for anyone else. Everyone feels completely entitled to make a complete nuisance of themselves as long as whatever they consider to be important to them is taken care of. Everything and everyone else be damned, seems to be the current governing philosophy in every walk of life, barring a few exceptions here and there.

 

Except, why should I have to pay $250 of my own money (or whatever they cost) because some people cannot exercise common courtesy, EVEN WHEN IT IS POSTED THAT THEY NEED TO.

 

(I was at the eye doctor's the other day, and there was someone in the waiting room carrying on a loud cell phone conversation with the phone on speakerphone - I could hear both sides of the conversation. It was annoying, and some of the things she said COULD have been taken as a violation of HIPAA.)

 

I'm of the opinion that "if you wanna talk on a cell phone, don't sit in the quiet car, and if you do, the conductor should tell you to move to another car."

 

On the TE, when I've ridden it (I ride in sleeper most of the time) they regularly announce that "during quiet hours, if you are going to make or receive a phone call, please go to the lounge car." I wonder how many people actually abide by that - the last time (about four years ago) I was in coach, there were people who seemed to want to call their loved ones every half-hour to report on the progress of the train. I get placing ONE call when you are a certain distance out from the station for a "Hey, I'm almost there, come get me" but every half-hour? Really?



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Posted 15 June 2017 - 10:02 PM

All of the above comments are fodder for those who prefer traveling in their private automobile, and forsaking public transportation...hard to argue...you can talk, blast your stereo, or have it quiet....your choice...


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 12:07 AM

 

I'm of the opinion that "if you wanna talk on a cell phone, don't sit in the quiet car, and if you do, the conductor should tell you to move to another car."

 

On the TE, when I've ridden it (I ride in sleeper most of the time) they regularly announce that "during quiet hours, if you are going to make or receive a phone call, please go to the lounge car." I wonder how many people actually abide by that - the last time (about four years ago) I was in coach, there were people who seemed to want to call their loved ones every half-hour to report on the progress of the train. I get placing ONE call when you are a certain distance out from the station for a "Hey, I'm almost there, come get me" but every half-hour? Really?

 

 

It is reasons like this I wish the cell phone had never been invented, or was licensed for legitimate commercial/business use only; a large majority of people who have them have no legit reason to have them.



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 02:43 AM

 

 

I'm of the opinion that "if you wanna talk on a cell phone, don't sit in the quiet car, and if you do, the conductor should tell you to move to another car."

 

On the TE, when I've ridden it (I ride in sleeper most of the time) they regularly announce that "during quiet hours, if you are going to make or receive a phone call, please go to the lounge car." I wonder how many people actually abide by that - the last time (about four years ago) I was in coach, there were people who seemed to want to call their loved ones every half-hour to report on the progress of the train. I get placing ONE call when you are a certain distance out from the station for a "Hey, I'm almost there, come get me" but every half-hour? Really?

 

 

It is reasons like this I wish the cell phone had never been invented, or was licensed for legitimate commercial/business use only; a large majority of people who have them have no legit reason to have them.

 

 

Without my cell phone I'd lose the ability to take vacations and might be without a job altogether.  Everyone makes mistakes now and again but I do my very best to be as respectful as possible when using my phone.  I think the main problem today isn't mobile devices themselves so much as our growing indifference toward acceptable manners and etiquette.  All too often I see children being raised without any well defined boundaries between indoor and outdoor noise levels or between public and private behavior.  These days public spaces are treated like a personal living room or back yard and that makes it hard for people to realize when they're being a nuisance to others.


Edited by Devil's Advocate, 16 June 2017 - 02:49 AM.

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:04 AM

Ah, just catching up with one of my favorite topics--I love the Quiet Car. :)

 

I was listening to Ron Darling (former Mets pitcher and now Mets TV broadcaster) being interviewed on a Mets pre-game show, and he mentioned in passing that he loves riding in the Quiet Car when he takes Amtrak to Philadelphia! Nice to know he rides the train, and free advertising for Amtrak! :)

 

Of course, the team is so awful right now that I was probably the only one listening.


Edited by Mystic River Dragon, 16 June 2017 - 10:07 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:42 AM

And what is this new trend apparently of people setting up their cellphone in the speaker rmode for every call? That makes it doubly annoying. Really I have no desire to know the minute details of why your friend's boyfriend decided to ditch her and move on, and how your friend has decided to go bonkers over it etc. etc.



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:57 AM

 

 

I'm of the opinion that "if you wanna talk on a cell phone, don't sit in the quiet car, and if you do, the conductor should tell you to move to another car."

 

On the TE, when I've ridden it (I ride in sleeper most of the time) they regularly announce that "during quiet hours, if you are going to make or receive a phone call, please go to the lounge car." I wonder how many people actually abide by that - the last time (about four years ago) I was in coach, there were people who seemed to want to call their loved ones every half-hour to report on the progress of the train. I get placing ONE call when you are a certain distance out from the station for a "Hey, I'm almost there, come get me" but every half-hour? Really?

 

It is reasons like this I wish the cell phone had never been invented, or was licensed for legitimate commercial/business use only; a large majority of people who have them have no legit reason to have them.

What's a legitimate reason to use the telephone, in your not so humble opinion? :rolleyes: Long before there were cellphones, people made phone calls just to chat. Long before there were cellphones, train passengers talked to each other, and the conversations weren't always business or urgent.

 

If you're not in the quiet car, the problem isn't people using cellphones, it's people talking too loud. And some clueless people do that with their seatmate, no phone required. If you're not in the quiet car, your desire for utter silence places no obligations on anyone else to not converse -- in normal tones -- with anyone they want to, sitting next to them or on the other side of the world, about any damned topic that pleases them. :ohboy:



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:59 AM

Yup. Hence noise canceling headphone. And the fishbowl on his head for Steve too :P



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:10 AM

 

 

 

 

 

If you're not in the quiet car, the problem isn't people using cellphones, it's people talking too loud. And some clueless people do that with their seatmate, no phone required. If you're not in the quiet car, your desire for utter silence places no obligations on anyone else to not converse -- in normal tones -- with anyone they want to, sitting next to them or on the other side of the world, about any damned topic that pleases them. :ohboy:

 

 

Talking on a cellphone is different from talking with a seatmate. When you're on a cellphone, your mind is someplace else, engaged with someone in another physical location. Prior to cellphones, there was a stronger expectation that people in public places moderate their effects on others occupying the same public space. As cellphones have become ubiquitous, the sense of sharing a common space has eroded, which in turn has eroded courtesy when individuals are physically--but no longer mentally--occupying a shared space.

 

And there's the issue of the increase in chatter that cellphones enable. If your only option for conversation is persons who are physically on the train with you, it's apt to be a LOT quieter. 


Edited by tricia, 16 June 2017 - 11:12 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 11:31 AM

A fun thing to do with other people's speakerphone conversations, especially highly personal ones, is chip in.

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 12:08 PM

A fun thing to do with other people's speakerphone conversations, especially highly personal ones, is chip in.

Oh, I've been tempted, speakerphone or not, to add to the conversation of loud phone users in bathroom stalls. :P
Hmm, maybe ask if they're doing #1 or #2. :o

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 03:08 PM

And what is this new trend apparently of people setting up their cellphone in the speaker rmode for every call? That makes it doubly annoying. Really I have no desire to know the minute details of why your friend's boyfriend decided to ditch her and move on, and how your friend has decided to go bonkers over it etc. etc.

Yeah....I noticed that too....seems like a throwback, to when using a Nextel push-to-talk phone was the urban 'trend'...with those annoying "chirps".....


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 04:11 PM

Makes those of us old enough to remember Phone Booths realize that they were there for a good reaaon, Privacy for the User and the General Public! 😎

I noticed theres still a Phone Booth in the nicely restored Longview,Tx Station but except for Museums they've gone the way of the Dodo Bird and the Passenger Pigeon!

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:29 PM

Makes those of us old enough to remember Phone Booths realize that they were there for a good reaaon, Privacy for the User and the General Public!

I noticed theres still a Phone Booth in the nicely restored Longview,Tx Station but except for Museums they've gone the way of the Dodo Bird and the Passenger Pigeon!

 

A lot of them have been repurposed by restaurants and nightclubs as "cell phone booths", a place to step inside to both muffle the music/ambiance so you can hear who you're talking to, and to prevent you having to shout over the music/crowd noise.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:22 AM

And what is this new trend apparently of people setting up their cellphone in the speaker rmode for every call? That makes it doubly annoying. Really I have no desire to know the minute details of why your friend's boyfriend decided to ditch her and move on, and how your friend has decided to go bonkers over it etc. etc.

I have experienced this recently (more than once now).

 

My hypothesis is that people think they exist in bubbles now, that what they do doesn't affect those around them, that it's like they're in their living room at home. Or, alternatively, that they and whatever they are conversing on is SOOOOOO important that their being able to converse supersedes the comfort of everyone else around them.

 

And yeah, I get that some people have to take important calls but they do not seem to be the rude ones; the people who are discussing their own surgery with their friends, or talking about someone's break-up, or gossiping, or having a gross, TMI romantic convo with their SO are the ones who seem to want everyone else to have to listen to them.

 

I wish cell phone jammers were legal in the US. I'd wear one around my neck like Flava Flav wore that clock.


Edited by fillyjonk, 17 June 2017 - 11:23 AM.


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:51 AM

People are very self-centered nowadays. Probably comes from all those trophies that were given to kids for just showing up. 






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