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#61 jis

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 10:01 AM

If what you say is true then Amtrak should have been doing phenomenally well already. The fact that it is not strongly suggest that you have rose colored glasses on. :) Not that I am against being an optimist, mind you. ;)

 

in my view not much has really changed from the norm. There are relatively minor variations around the norm.



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Posted 09 October 2017 - 10:10 AM

Thing is, the lack of clout by the Class Is mainly rebounds to the benefit of the highway interests.

Amtrak has even less clout, except (as I say) in certain states -- even there it's really the state government which has the clout, it just *uses* it on behalf of Amtrak passengers.

I believe the smarter CEOs recognize that visibly supporting Amtrak (even if they're unhelpful when it's outside the public eye) gets them sympathy and therefore *more* clout as versus the highway interests. But the dumber ones still act like it's the 1950s or 1920s, as if they have independent clout.

It really doesn't help that they've been in an adversarial relationship with freight shippers. Normally a freight shipper will step up and campaign for public support for "their" railway line... and they still do so for shortlines... but since most of the Class Is have spent most of the last several decades mercilessly removing lines and cutting service, the shippers get pretty hostile. UP and BNSF have largely stopped the cutbacks but CSX is doing it again.

I don't think you could call my point of view "optimistic" here.

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Posted 09 October 2017 - 12:21 PM

Amtrak does not have the clout mainly because of a chicken and egg situation  Not enough service to get a loyal following except in the NEC especially when Amtrak does not have enough equipment for holidays.  Not enough loyal following to demand more equipment on present trains and more trains and destinations..  Big example is not enough trains on a route to justify more food catering locations.  That way food service could be vastly improved and more persons served with more restocking locations.



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Posted 12 October 2017 - 12:04 PM

Amtrak does not have the clout mainly because of a chicken and egg situation  Not enough service to get a loyal following except in the NEC especially when Amtrak does not have enough equipment for holidays.  Not enough loyal following to demand more equipment on present trains and more trains and destinations...

Exactly!  Thanks for putting it clearly. 

 

Now, consider a state with relatively little Class I freight presence, but enough Amtrak to have a loyal ridership of meaningful size:

 

-- Vermont

-- Maine

-- Massachusetts

 

In these states Amtrak has more clout than a Class I.  (Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Michigan were in this category too.)

 

 

Consider a state where half the population is openly fighting the Class I over coal service and the other half is angry about poor agricultural service, again with enough Amtrak to have a loyal ridership of meaningful size:

 

-- Washington

 

Or a state where half the population is complaining about railyard pollution, again with enough Amtrak to have a loyal ridership of meaningful size:

 

-- California

 

Here... it's not obvious to me who has more clout.

 

Then, consider a state where there is no significant loyal Amtrak patronage and lots of Class I service without too many local complaints:

 

-- Georgia

-- South Carolina

 

Yeah, here Amtrak has no clout whatsoever and the Class Is have a lot.


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Posted 10 February 2018 - 01:04 PM

The first set of 2018 Safety Patrol specials operated this week. 98(8) and 97(11) will operate with 17 cars and operate as the WPB special.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:44 AM

What's the future hold so we can look for it?

You know what? I saw this train this morning at 7:30 AM South of Savannah. I only caught the tail end, so I couldn't see it in it's full length glory.

Edited by VentureForth, 12 February 2018 - 10:47 AM.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:31 AM

It appears to be on time today for a change!


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 02:46 AM

Yep, I found out about the Safety Patrol trains when I tried to book my usual roomette home from Washington (well, Baltimore) this past weekend and the Meteor was mysteriously "blocked out" on Sunday (and the train schedule put it at a very odd time on Friday).  TBH my first instinct was that they'd been somehow forced to knock the train off the card for a day due to some sort of fallout from the Star's collision.


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Posted 15 February 2018 - 11:34 PM

It was on an odd time today, too.  Scheduled into Jesup @ 8:48pm, instead of 6:29pm.  CJ



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Posted 16 February 2018 - 08:43 AM

Maybe instead of West Palm, Boca Raton should start a Safety Patrol sponsored by Brightline.

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Posted 16 February 2018 - 10:18 AM

Maybe instead of West Palm, Boca Raton should start a Safety Patrol sponsored by Brightline.




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Posted 16 February 2018 - 10:20 AM

I’m afraid Boca is hopeless. Perhaps a School Crossing Guard at each RR Crossing!

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