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#1 CHamilton

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 12:26 PM

Alaska Airlines will start passenger flights from Everett’s Paine Field

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Posted 17 May 2017 - 02:29 PM

I drove by there on my last trip to the area.  I was thinking about going on a tour of the Boeing Everett facility, but didn't have enough time and just wanted a look at the vicinity.

 

That area is packed with planes being prepped for delivery or undergoing testing at the Boeing Everett factory.



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Posted 17 May 2017 - 10:47 PM

Great news!

I know my cousin's in Camano Island and Snohomish will appreciate that new service...

I was just in the former this past weekend to visit...

I arrived late Friday evening, and returned early on Sunday morning, so did not encounter much traffic on I-5 from and to Sea-Tac, but have in the past...


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 01:51 PM

But some residents are trying to stop commercial airlines from coming to Paine Field. Right now the airport is used primarily as test grounds for Boeing. That's the way Mukilteo Mayor Jennifer Gregerson wants to keep it.
 
Gregerson: "We think that the best use of Paine Field is really to support the aerospace industry. And Boeing itself having access to an airport where they can do their testing and provide those great family-wage jobs, that's always been a priority for our community."
 
The city of Mukilteo and a community group have filed an appeal of the plans for commercial travel. They say more environmental review needs to happen. The state Supreme Court will decide this summer whether to hear the argument.

 

 


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 06:08 PM

Alway's "NIMBY's" to thwart progress....

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I didn't know Bellingham already had commercial service...
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Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:52 AM

I'm curious to see how they'll integrate with Link when it makes its way up there.  Assuming the state and feds don't put a stop to ST3.



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Posted 19 May 2017 - 11:35 AM

Alway's "NIMBY's" to thwart progress....

 

You would think Paine Field, of all places, which already sees truckloads of Boeing planes flying in and out for testing and delivery would have been beyond NIMBYism by now, but turns out there are always more...



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Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:42 AM

You would think Paine Field, of all places, which already sees truckloads of Boeing planes flying in and out for testing and delivery would have been beyond NIMBYism by now, but turns out there are always more...

 

I bet most of them couldn't distinguish between a 737 and 767, even with the paint job giving them a clue.



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Posted 20 May 2017 - 10:51 AM

I think just about anyone in my generation could pick out a 727 at first glance, although they're becoming rare these days. In my mind they were to the jet era what the DC-3 was to air transport in general, the plane that really brought it home. With that built-in APU and airstair and those wonderful triple - slotted flaps it could operate in and out of secondary airports with very little ground support.

As an unabashed railfan I regret its impact on private passenger railroading, but I have to admire it as very nearly the exemplar of a perfect design. I worked at and learned to fly at Hobby Airport in the late '90s and I had plenty of opportunities to see 727s close up and far away from every conceivable angle. There's not a bad line anywhere on the airframe. It's almost as good as a pretty girl...and it ages better than most of them do to boot!

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 12:10 PM

I liked the 727's, too...but I believe the 737 has far surpassed them as the "DC-3" of the jet age, both in number built, and longevity...although it is hard to relate the first 737 "Baby Boeing's", with the newest generation 737 Max...

The seven-three's could be conceivably be in service for an aggregate century!  :cool:


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Posted 20 May 2017 - 07:36 PM

No doubt that the 737 is a great design and has certainly earned its keep...but the 727 is the one which to most of the country was the face of the jet era when that era was opening. Besides, I like its proportions better, especially the -200 series. Not that the 737 is ugly...Boeing is very good about putting a pretty face on its (jet!) products. The DC-3 certainly opened the air age, but I question if its (unquestionably impressive) numbers and subsequent longevity would have been quite so great were it not for WWII. Of course, that's like asking what would live on planet Earth if the dinosaurs had never died....

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Posted 20 May 2017 - 11:55 PM

Good points, but speaking of faces...the 707, 720, 727, and 737 pretty much were identical in that respect... :)


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Posted 22 May 2017 - 02:00 PM


I didn't know Bellingham already had commercial service...

 

Bellingham has had commercial airline service for decades. It has really expanded in the past decade, with flights being marketed to the 2 million Canadians living in the Greater Vancouver metro area, some of whom are happy to cross the border to save $$ on flights to Hawaii, Vegas, etc.

 

Of course, those people aren't likely to drive all the way to Everett (what would be the point?). So this is really about serving the northern Seattle metro area with O/D flights to key destinations. I'm thinking PDX, SFO, LAX for starters, perhaps LAS and HNL. Maybe GEG (Spokane).



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Posted 22 May 2017 - 02:29 PM

Alway's "NIMBY's" to thwart progress....

 
Does a few regional flights from an airfield 99.99% of Americans will never search for (let alone fly from) really represent much in the way of actual progress? Seems like a rather minor "win" to me.

 

You would think Paine Field, of all places, which already sees truckloads of Boeing planes flying in and out for testing and delivery would have been beyond NIMBYism by now, but turns out there are always more...


I live near a medium sized airport and everything is fine right now, in fact it's been perfectly fine for many years. However, if they unilaterally started adding more and more flights with new approach vectors and departure paths it could seriously screw up my sleep schedule, which in turn could screw up my job, which you had better believe is every bit as important to me as your job is to you. This isn't a critical strategic gateway like LAX or JFK so maybe we pick our battles and let the NIMBY's have this one.
 
 

I bet most of them couldn't distinguish between a 737 and 767, even with the paint job giving them a clue.


And that would be relevant to their complaint how, exactly? Smaller aircraft can still be loud as hell. B731/732's and MD80/90's for instance. Not to mention that this is the sort of seemingly change for which slippery slope was coined.

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Posted 24 May 2017 - 07:08 PM

And that would be relevant to their complaint how, exactly?

Just me calling them morons.

Smaller aircraft can still be loud as hell. B731/732's and MD80/90's for instance. Not to mention that this is the sort of seemingly change for which slippery slope was coined.

Should I not be allowed to my Piper up there for transition work? Every extra bit of noise is a slippery slope...

However, if they unilaterally started adding more and more flights with new approach vectors and departure paths it could seriously screw up my sleep schedule, which in turn could screw up my job, which you had better believe is every bit as important to me as your job is to you.

I live under the FAFs for the 16s at SEATAC, so cry me a river. You don't like airplanes, go live somewhere else.

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Posted 25 May 2017 - 06:31 AM

I suppose he lived there long before they built that noisy airport nearby... :)
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Posted 26 May 2017 - 12:59 PM

Does a few regional flights from an airfield 99.99% of Americans will never search for (let alone fly from) really represent much in the way of actual progress? Seems like a rather minor "win" to me.


I suspect PAE will be folded into the SEA airport code for "all area airports" in the same way that LGB/BUR/SNA are included in LAX searches, and ISP/HPN are included in NYC searches, etc. (This varies by booking engine, of course.) The larger point is that the target audience for these flights will most certainly know how to search for them, and unsuspecting folks may be pleasantly surprised to find it as an option when they type in Seattle. (Or rudely surprised, if they book it by accident.)

 

 
 

this is the sort of seemingly change for which slippery slope was coined.

In that part of the country, "slippery slope" most definitely refers to the bluffs on the Amtrak route between Seattle and Everett. :P



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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:08 PM

 

this is the sort of seemingly change for which slippery slope was coined.

In that part of the country, "slippery slope" most definitely refers to the bluffs on the Amtrak route between Seattle and Everett. :P

 

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 01:47 PM

However, if they unilaterally started adding more and more flights with new approach vectors and departure paths it could seriously screw up my sleep schedule, which in turn could screw up my job, which you had better believe is every bit as important to me as your job is to you.

I live under the FAFs for the 16s at SEATAC, so cry me a river. You don't like airplanes, go live somewhere else.


If everyone went and lived somewhere else there would be no reason to have an airport here.

 

I suppose he lived there long before they built that noisy airport nearby...

 
If we take the "who was there first" point to its logical conclusion NIMBY's might be able to shut down virtually any airport simply by soliciting some farmers coop or Indian tribe to make a complaint on their behalf. If the airport has a tolerable level of noise when you move there, and makes an intolerable change to the amount of noise decades later, is that not something worthy of being challenged?


 

I suspect PAE will be folded into the SEA airport code for "all area airports" in the same way that LGB/BUR/SNA are included in LAX searches, and ISP/HPN are included in NYC searches, etc. (This varies by booking engine, of course.) The larger point is that the target audience for these flights will most certainly know how to search for them, and unsuspecting folks may be pleasantly surprised to find it as an option when they type in Seattle. (Or rudely surprised, if they book it by accident.)


Are we seriously comparing Seattle with New York and Los Angeles? SEA already refers to Seattle-Tacoma International specifically and changing a major airport code for everyone just to rope in Paine Field for a tiny minority of travelers makes no sense whatsoever.

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Posted 26 May 2017 - 03:44 PM

Are we seriously comparing Seattle with New York and Los Angeles? SEA already refers to Seattle-Tacoma International specifically and changing a major airport code for everyone just to rope in Paine Field for a tiny minority of travelers makes no sense whatsoever.

No, I don't think the airport code for Sea-Tac should be changed. I didn't word it very well.

 

I meant something more along the lines of how, on Expedia (for example), if you type in LAX into the search field you get a drop-down menu that includes the other three airports. If you type in DFW you get a drop-down menu that includes both DFW and DAL. Type in IAH and get a drop-down that includes HOU. Type in FLL and you get a drop-down that includes MIA and PBI. If you start typing the word Chicago, you get a drop-down for ORD, MDW and even RFD. 

 

That's sort of the scenario I'm thinking of. Type in Seattle or SEA and you get a drop-down that includes PAE. That will get it on the radar.

 

Also, Alaska Airlines is very visible in Seattle from a marketing standpoint. They'll have no trouble getting the word out about their new service.






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