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#41 Ryan

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:43 PM

Why is transferring in Albany such an unbearable burden that passengers should instead be encouraged to transfer in Washington?


Nothing. It’s completely nonsensical.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:44 PM

Chicago is a much bigger destination than Atlanta/New Orleans. It is also a feeder to anywhere west of Chicago, California, Texas, Denver, etc. You are also including Cleveland, and Toledo.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:47 PM

This is for a limited time to allow for needed work at Penn Station and other locations. New York bound passengers will change trains at Albany. It will all work out. Running through cars on the Pennsylvanian/Capitol Limited is a good idea, but there has been absolutely no progress on the switch needed in Pittsburgh, so I think Amtrak has no interest in ever doing the work, so that will not never happen. I highly doubt if a large number of people will do the long route to Chicago via the Cardinal. Most passengers will go to GCT, get on a train and then transfer at Albany. When the work is done, the LSL will resume its regular route and life will go on. 



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:52 PM

This is for a limited time to allow for needed work at Penn Station and other locations. New York bound passengers will change trains at Albany. It will all work out. Running through cars on the Pennsylvanian/Capitol Limited is a good idea, but there has been absolutely no progress on the switch needed in Pittsburgh, so I think Amtrak has no interest in ever doing the work, so that will not never happen. I highly doubt if a large number of people will do the long route to Chicago via the Cardinal. Most passengers will go to GCT, get on a train and then transfer at Albany. When the work is done, the LSL will resume its regular route and life will go on. 

How do you handle people with their carry bags on plus two regular size baggage pieces?   



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:09 PM

 

This is for a limited time to allow for needed work at Penn Station and other locations. New York bound passengers will change trains at Albany. It will all work out. Running through cars on the Pennsylvanian/Capitol Limited is a good idea, but there has been absolutely no progress on the switch needed in Pittsburgh, so I think Amtrak has no interest in ever doing the work, so that will not never happen. I highly doubt if a large number of people will do the long route to Chicago via the Cardinal. Most passengers will go to GCT, get on a train and then transfer at Albany. When the work is done, the LSL will resume its regular route and life will go on. 

How do you handle people with their carry bags on plus two regular size baggage pieces?   

 

Strap them together.  Use a foldaway cart, red caps.  Or just pack less stuff.  Should they not do track work just so people aren't inconvenienced?

 

Edit:  Or ship your big bags to your destination.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:31 PM

This is for a limited time to allow for needed work at Penn Station and other locations. New York bound passengers will change trains at Albany. It will all work out. Running through cars on the Pennsylvanian/Capitol Limited is a good idea, but there has been absolutely no progress on the switch needed in Pittsburgh, so I think Amtrak has no interest in ever doing the work, so that will not never happen. I highly doubt if a large number of people will do the long route to Chicago via the Cardinal. Most passengers will go to GCT, get on a train and then transfer at Albany. When the work is done, the LSL will resume its regular route and life will go on.

How do you handle people with their carry bags on plus two regular size baggage pieces?

Strap them together.  Use a foldaway cart, red caps.  Or just pack less stuff.  Should they not do track work just so people aren't inconvenienced?
 
Edit:  Or ship your big bags to your destination.

I travel often to Texas and Virginia for extended stays and always ship a big box ahead of me to avoid lugging a big bag. So easy!

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 07:41 PM

Considering the volume of passengers this is affecting and the fact that Amtrak can operate trains between ALB and Grand Central, they may very well add a baggage car on the connecting train from Albany to New York, much like what was done with the Crescent last year.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 08:28 PM

 

 

This is for a limited time to allow for needed work at Penn Station and other locations. New York bound passengers will change trains at Albany. It will all work out. Running through cars on the Pennsylvanian/Capitol Limited is a good idea, but there has been absolutely no progress on the switch needed in Pittsburgh, so I think Amtrak has no interest in ever doing the work, so that will not never happen. I highly doubt if a large number of people will do the long route to Chicago via the Cardinal. Most passengers will go to GCT, get on a train and then transfer at Albany. When the work is done, the LSL will resume its regular route and life will go on. 

How do you handle people with their carry bags on plus two regular size baggage pieces?   

 

Strap them together.  Use a foldaway cart, red caps.  Or just pack less stuff.  Should they not do track work just so people aren't inconvenienced?

 

Edit:  Or ship your big bags to your destination.

 

They do need to do the track work. No argument there but my point is that Amtrak only allows two SMALL pieces of carry on luggage on regional connecting trains.. I am not saying that the track work should not be done only that the LSL be moved to GCT.  That's a big station. Surely there must a a track open at 3:45 in the afternoon.  The original New York Central train that ran the water level (LSL) route departed from there. It was called the 20th Century Ltd.  Seems better than taking two trains.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 08:47 PM

You can carry on 2 small personal items AND 2 pieces of luggage. Just like passengers do on trains and at stations without checked baggage service.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:15 PM

 

 

 

This is for a limited time to allow for needed work at Penn Station and other locations. New York bound passengers will change trains at Albany. It will all work out. Running through cars on the Pennsylvanian/Capitol Limited is a good idea, but there has been absolutely no progress on the switch needed in Pittsburgh, so I think Amtrak has no interest in ever doing the work, so that will not never happen. I highly doubt if a large number of people will do the long route to Chicago via the Cardinal. Most passengers will go to GCT, get on a train and then transfer at Albany. When the work is done, the LSL will resume its regular route and life will go on. 

How do you handle people with their carry bags on plus two regular size baggage pieces?   

 

Strap them together.  Use a foldaway cart, red caps.  Or just pack less stuff.  Should they not do track work just so people aren't inconvenienced?

 

Edit:  Or ship your big bags to your destination.

 

They do need to do the track work. No argument there but my point is that Amtrak only allows two SMALL pieces of carry on luggage on regional connecting trains.. I am not saying that the track work should not be done only that the LSL be moved to GCT.  That's a big station. Surely there must a a track open at 3:45 in the afternoon.  The original New York Central train that ran the water level (LSL) route departed from there. It was called the 20th Century Ltd.  Seems better than taking two trains.

 

I'm pretty sure I had my 28" bag on a regional once and definitely had my 22" one several times. Plus my overnight bag and a backpack.  There's room at one end of the car where you can put your big bags...if there's no one with a wheelchair that needs to be there.  There's also a small section dedicated to holding bigger bags.

 

And did you not see Jis' and others say that they can't get the train from GCT to Sunnyside to clean and restock the train?  



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 09:21 PM

Wouldn't it have been nice if the work planned for Pittsburgh had been performed allowing cars to be efficiently transferred to and from the Pennsylvanian and the Capitol Limited. Amtrak could have rerouted the Lake Shore via Philadelphia and Pittsburgh on the schedule of the Pennsylvanian and, between PGH and CHI on the back of the Capitol with no host railroad impact and minimal Amtrak cost impact.  

What is the "work planned at Pittsburgh?"


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 10:08 PM

 

Wouldn't it have been nice if the work planned for Pittsburgh had been performed allowing cars to be efficiently transferred to and from the Pennsylvanian and the Capitol Limited. Amtrak could have rerouted the Lake Shore via Philadelphia and Pittsburgh on the schedule of the Pennsylvanian and, between PGH and CHI on the back of the Capitol with no host railroad impact and minimal Amtrak cost impact.  

What is the "work planned at Pittsburgh?"

 

 

A Performance Improvement Plan prepared for the Capitol Limited included a proposal to add cars to the Pennsylvanian that would be attached to the Capitol Limited at Pittsburgh and continue on to Chicago.  In order to do that without having a switcher and crew at Pittsburgh, an existing stub-end track at Pittsburgh station would have to be connected to the westbound through track with a new switch.  This work would be done by Norfolk Southern and paid by Amtrak.  For whatever reason, the work was not done, and the through car proposal died.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 10:37 PM

This is for a limited time to allow for needed work at Penn Station and other locations. New York bound passengers will change trains at Albany. It will all work out. Running through cars on the Pennsylvanian/Capitol Limited is a good idea, but there has been absolutely no progress on the switch needed in Pittsburgh, so I think Amtrak has no interest in ever doing the work, so that will not never happen. I highly doubt if a large number of people will do the long route to Chicago via the Cardinal. Most passengers will go to GCT, get on a train and then transfer at Albany. When the work is done, the LSL will resume its regular route and life will go on.

How do you handle people with their carry bags on plus two regular size baggage pieces?

The same way you handle it now from your front door to the train station. It’s not like the difference in trains makes you carry *more* stuff.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 11:35 PM

The LSL has had a 1 hour+ layover in ALB. Virtually all of the trips I've taken, there is a Regional in the Albany station when the LSL is there laying over, heading to NYC. I've always thought about jumping on that Regional and beating the LSL to Penn Station. Now it looks like that will happen. Long story short--transferring from LSL to a Regional heading to NYC at ALB is a nothingburger (questions of luggage aside. Pack accordingly?)


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:41 AM

NO ONE is arguing that the track work at NYP should not be done just because of the LSL. What we are saying is that the LSL carries a ton of people from a huge metropolis to another quite big metropolis, where many people have to connect to get to many western cities. This adds in another transfer. People still have to get to GCT, and then transfer in ALB, and many AGAIN in CHI.

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:45 AM

NO ONE is arguing that the track work at NYP should not be done just because of the LSL. What we are saying is that the LSL carries a ton of people from a huge metropolis to another quite big metropolis, where many people have to connect to get to many western cities. This adds in another transfer, people still have to get to GCT, and then transfer in ALB, and AGAIN in CHI.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:50 AM

NO ONE is arguing that the track work at NYP should not be done just because of the LSL. What we are saying is that the LSL carries a ton of people from a huge metropolis to another quite big metropolis, where many people have to connect to get to many western cities. This adds in another transfer, people still have to get to GCT, and then transfer in ALB, and AGAIN in CHI.
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Indeed they will.

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So what?
The answer to your question is in that post.
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Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:54 AM

Question: is Sunnyside completely inaccessible to Grand Central, or just impractical to get to?


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:01 AM

Question: is Sunnyside completely inaccessible to Grand Central, or just impractical to get to?


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Take a look at NYC’s existing railroad routes and try to find a routing that doesn’t need a train to turn around enroute to the yard.

Edit to add that this is an artifact from the old New York Central and Pennsylvania Railroad rivalry.


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Posted 02 March 2018 - 09:09 AM

Question: is Sunnyside completely inaccessible to Grand Central, or just impractical to get to?


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"Impractical" is putting it mildly. You'd have to haul the train from GCT up to New Rochelle, then back in across the Hell Gate bridge. Alternatively, I suppose you could also do the shuffle occasionally used when the West Side Connector is closed (along the shore of the East River), but I suspect that's even more convoluted.






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