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#381 cpotisch

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Posted 16 April 2018 - 10:47 PM

You will need additional equipment for these moves.  They'll likely have to swap AM-2s for AM-1s and as someone mentioned, you'll may need some sort of protection for a late arriving 48.


How hard, time consuming, or expensive would it be to add push-pull wiring to the affected AM-IIs?

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:33 AM

You will need additional equipment for these moves.  They'll likely have to swap AM-2s for AM-1s and as someone mentioned, you'll may need some sort of protection for a late arriving 48.

How hard, time consuming, or expensive would it be to add push-pull wiring to the affected AM-IIs?
Even if they had the wiring, at a time with such limited capacity it may make sense to use Amfleet Is anyway since they can hold more people.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:15 AM

235 doesn't run weekends, it is a Mo-Fri train The EA (295) runs its schedule on Sa-Su until Albany, before it heads to Rutland...

 

 

What happens when 48 is running a couple of hours late?   



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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:33 AM

 

 

You will need additional equipment for these moves.  They'll likely have to swap AM-2s for AM-1s and as someone mentioned, you'll may need some sort of protection for a late arriving 48.

How hard, time consuming, or expensive would it be to add push-pull wiring to the affected AM-IIs?
Even if they had the wiring, at a time with such limited capacity it may make sense to use Amfleet Is anyway since they can hold more people.

 

But don't the Empire trains generally run (as was mentioned) with plenty of seats available? So putting aside the push-pull issues, I would be surprised if the lower capacity of AM-IIs makes much of a difference.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 07:36 AM

So just so I understand, the likely plan is to have a MARC or ex-Metroliner cab on one end of the trains, and a P32 with an FL9 or cab car in front at the other end? So that they can run the train from both ends and escape in the event of an emergency? If that's the case, that'll be some consist.  :blink:


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 08:00 AM

I had heard that the FL9 plan fell through and Amtrak is contemplating chopping holes in the front of their P32s.

We are stuck with technology when what we really want is just stuff that works.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:25 AM

The FL9s did fall thru band stay tuned folks plenty of interesting discussions coming.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 01:54 PM

That's a shame. Would have loved to be able to look at the FL9s a few times this summer. I gotta say, I find rundown 20 year old GEs with the front cut open a lot less cool than a 60 year old F-unit.  :wacko:


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:26 PM

I had heard that the FL9 plan fell through and Amtrak is contemplating chopping holes in the front of their P32s.

 

 

The FL9s did fall thru band stay tuned folks plenty of interesting discussions coming.

 

 

You guys are a week late to the party :P :

 

 

NYC is doomed for another ‘Summer of Hell’

 

 


 

Amtrak on Tuesday announced a massive, multimillion-dollar repair project scheduled for this summer that will force changes on several commuter lines.

“Critical reconstruction” work will be performed on the Empire Tunnel, Spuyten Duyvil Bridge and Track 19 in New York Penn Station, Amtrak said.

As a result, Empire Service, Ethan Allen Express, Adirondack and Maple Leaf trains will be rerouted from New York Penn Station to Grand Central Terminal between May 26 and Sept. 4.

The Lake Shore Limited will only run between Boston and Chicago, with New York City and Hudson Valley travelers connecting from Empire Service trains at Albany-Rensselaer.

The repairs will cost between $45 million and $50 million.

“While the schedules have yet to be finalized, there will be fewer service impacts and schedule changes compared to Summer 2017,” Amtrak said, referring to the eight weeks of repairs that sparked a “Summer of Hell” at Penn Station.

 

 

Time is ticking and there are still issues with the GCT plan. We'll see how this turns out. Who knows? Maybe, they'll cut doors in the noses of the P32s before this is all over.

 

 

I believe one is almost (if not entirely) completed. Things with the MARC cars have also taken a weird turn.


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 02:29 PM

I had heard that the FL9 plan fell through and Amtrak is contemplating chopping holes in the front of their P32s.

 
 

The FL9s did fall thru band stay tuned folks plenty of interesting discussions coming.

 
 
You guys are a week late to the party :P :
 
 

NYC is doomed for another ‘Summer of Hell’
 
 


 
Amtrak on Tuesday announced a massive, multimillion-dollar repair project scheduled for this summer that will force changes on several commuter lines.
“Critical reconstruction” work will be performed on the Empire Tunnel, Spuyten Duyvil Bridge and Track 19 in New York Penn Station, Amtrak said.As a result, Empire Service, Ethan Allen Express, Adirondack and Maple Leaf trains will be rerouted from New York Penn Station to Grand Central Terminal between May 26 and Sept. 4.

The Lake Shore Limited will only run between Boston and Chicago, with New York City and Hudson Valley travelers connecting from Empire Service trains at Albany-Rensselaer.The repairs will cost between $45 million and $50 million.

“While the schedules have yet to be finalized, there will be fewer service impacts and schedule changes compared to Summer 2017,” Amtrak said, referring to the eight weeks of repairs that sparked a “Summer of Hell” at Penn Station.

 
 
Time is ticking and there are still issues with the GCT plan. We'll see how this turns out. Who knows? Maybe, they'll cut doors in the noses of the P32s before this is all over.
 
 
I believe one is almost (if not entirely) completed. Things with the MARC cars have also taken a weird turn.

If that isn't the truth. I'll probably come up to work one of those runs if Amtrak approves our move request. Of which I strongly doubt.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 04:50 PM

That's a shame. Would have loved to be able to look at the FL9s a few times this summer. I gotta say, I find rundown 20 year old GEs with the front cut open a lot less cool than a 60 year old F-unit.  :wacko:

 

I would agree with you on that!


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Posted 17 April 2018 - 05:30 PM

Actually, depending on which P32s get the nose job, some of them have been off to the paint shop for the "Empire Service" livery, and don't look half bad. Not sure how many have been completed.



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Posted 17 April 2018 - 09:57 PM

NYC is doomed for another ‘Summer of Hell’
 
 


 
Amtrak on Tuesday announced a massive, multimillion-dollar repair project scheduled for this summer that will force changes on several commuter lines.
“Critical reconstruction” work will be performed on the Empire Tunnel, Spuyten Duyvil Bridge and Track 19 in New York Penn Station, Amtrak said.As a result, Empire Service, Ethan Allen Express, Adirondack and Maple Leaf trains will be rerouted from New York Penn Station to Grand Central Terminal between May 26 and Sept. 4.

The Lake Shore Limited will only run between Boston and Chicago, with New York City and Hudson Valley travelers connecting from Empire Service trains at Albany-Rensselaer.
The repairs will cost between $45 million and $50 million.

“While the schedules have yet to be finalized, there will be fewer service impacts and schedule changes compared to Summer 2017,” Amtrak said, referring to the eight weeks of repairs that sparked a “Summer of Hell” at Penn Station.

 
 
Time is ticking and there are still issues with the GCT plan. We'll see how this turns out. Who knows? Maybe, they'll cut doors in the noses of the P32s before this is all over.

So basically anyone making a connection in NY & coming into NYPenn that needs one of the GCT rerouted trains has to find their own way from NYP to GCT?

I had this scenario on May 30 but couldn't get a straight answer from Amtrak so I moved my travel earlier one week. It's my vacation & I don't want a headache like that when I'm trying to get away from the headaches at work.

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:25 PM

 


So basically anyone making a connection in NY & coming into NYPenn that needs one of the GCT rerouted trains has to find their own way from NYP to GCT?

 

 

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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:27 PM

Yep, about a 10 minute walk.
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Posted 17 April 2018 - 10:27 PM

 

 


So basically anyone making a connection in NY & coming into NYPenn that needs one of the GCT rerouted trains has to find their own way from NYP to GCT?

 

 

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Love it!  Yeah... glad I changed my timing.  Thank you for clarifying that.


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 05:16 AM

 

 


So basically anyone making a connection in NY & coming into NYPenn that needs one of the GCT rerouted trains has to find their own way from NYP to GCT?

I had this scenario on May 30 but couldn't get a straight answer from Amtrak so I moved my travel earlier one week. It's my vacation & I don't want a headache like that when I'm trying to get away from the headaches at work.

 

 

You're probably better off CL to WAS. It sucks but it's the lesser of the two evils. Welcome to what it's like being in Philly all the time.


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 06:29 AM

Yep, about a 10 minute walk.

I don't think so.  I've done it a few times when I lived in Manhattan.  More like 20-25.  The subway is even slower than 10 minutes.


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 06:45 AM

Welcome to what it's like being in Philly all the time.


All of Amtrak’s trains stop in the same station in Philly, so a cross town self transfer is nothing like what it’s like being in Philly.
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Posted 18 April 2018 - 09:29 AM

I just hope I can have eggs and bacon on the lsl this summer....
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