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#21 lstone19

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:28 PM

But the LSL is such a popular and profitable train! Why dont they at least run it out of GCT? I know that Grand Central doesnt have unlimited capacity, but the Lake Shore is pretty significant.


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It can not access Sunnyside Yard easily from Grand Central, which is necessary to service a long-distance train.

From its start in 1975 until 1991, the LSL went in and out of GCT. Back then, the train was serviced in Chicago and did a same day (approx. 5 hours with the schedule then) turn at GCT.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:30 PM

But the facilities that were in place at Grand Central to turn the LSL there are no more. So it is irrelevant what happened back then.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:35 PM

But the LSL is such a popular and profitable train! Why dont they at least run it out of GCT? I know that Grand Central doesnt have unlimited capacity, but the Lake Shore is pretty significant.


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It can not access Sunnyside Yard easily from Grand Central, which is necessary to service a long-distance train.
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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:57 PM

I don't see this as a good move for Amtrak. The LSL is one of Amtrak's most crowded trains and the New York-Chicago passengers will be left with the 3 day Cardinal as the only choice. Problem is that the Cardinal is a small train with one or two sleepers, a cafe car and maybe three coaches. That train could not possibly take the additional passenger load. Moving the LSL temporarily to Grand Central station makes the most sense.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 03:59 PM

I don't see this as a good move for Amtrak. The LSL is one of Amtrak's most crowded trains and the New York-Chicago passengers will be left with the 3 day Cardinal as the only choice. Problem is that the Cardinal is a small train with one or two sleepers, a cafe car and maybe three coaches. That train could not possibly take the additional passenger load. Moving the LSL temporarily to Grand Central station makes the most sense.

 

Not when there is no way to service the train.

 

NY-bound passengers can transfer at ALB to an Empire Service train.  It's not the end of the world.  It's not really that different than the many times Amtrak had to run a shuttle/stub train ALB-BOS instead of a through train, except that now it's a different set of passengers making the transfer.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:21 PM

 

I don't see this as a good move for Amtrak. The LSL is one of Amtrak's most crowded trains and the New York-Chicago passengers will be left with the 3 day Cardinal as the only choice. Problem is that the Cardinal is a small train with one or two sleepers, a cafe car and maybe three coaches. That train could not possibly take the additional passenger load. Moving the LSL temporarily to Grand Central station makes the most sense.

 

Not when there is no way to service the train.

 

NY-bound passengers can transfer at ALB to an Empire Service train.  It's not the end of the world.  It's not really that different than the many times Amtrak had to run a shuttle/stub train ALB-BOS instead of a through train, except that now it's a different set of passengers making the transfer.

 

 

You said the T-Word. Now New Yorkers will find out what it's like to live in Philly ... or Boston. Maybe when a bigger city is involved Amtrak will finally fix the problem once and for all.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:33 PM

If they do move on this , do we have any idea of the dates? I'm reserved on the LSL in late may NYP to CHI.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:56 PM

I don't think Transfering at Albany is too much of a hassle for a few months as long as the ticketing is clear and it is on the itinerary. One small question for those more familiar with Grand Central. Is there a waiting area with enough seats so people can sit down somewhere? Especially for older folks or handicaped persons who would usually get to the station plenty early for a long trip? Taking Metro North out of there I don't recall seeing a seated waiting area like penn station has but I may have missed it since I wasn't looking for it

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:56 PM

I don't see this as a good move for Amtrak. The LSL is one of Amtrak's most crowded trains and the New York-Chicago passengers will be left with the 3 day Cardinal as the only choice. Problem is that the Cardinal is a small train with one or two sleepers, a cafe car and maybe three coaches. That train could not possibly take the additional passenger load. Moving the LSL temporarily to Grand Central station makes the most sense.

Exactly! The tiny, 3-day, frequently sold out Cardinal, would take on the passenger load of a LONG, DAILY, frequently sold out train. There are a lot of people who want a one-seat ride from NYC to Chicago. This will interfere with all of them.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 04:59 PM

Or send the pax down to WAS to take the Capital Ltd.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:40 PM

Or send the pax down to WAS to take the Capital Ltd.

The LSL leaves NYC at 3:45 PM, The CL leaves WAS around 4 PM. A typical Amtrak connecting train would get you into WAS about 1-2 PM for the layover. That means a NY departure on the regional to WAS would have to be around 10-11 AM.  This extends the NYP-CHI trip 5-6 hours to about 25 hours. Then there is no luggage service until you arrive in WAS so you are limited to the small carry on's. .That sounds like it won't be a good alternative. .. 


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:45 PM

If this pans out, hopefully someone at Amtrak will figure out how to beef up the consists on the Cardinal and Cap to get pax to Washington and then run them on up to NYC via Regional or Acela.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:46 PM

Why is transferring in Albany such an unbearable burden that passengers should instead be encouraged to transfer in Washington?



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:47 PM

 

Or send the pax down to WAS to take the Capital Ltd.

The LSL leaves NYC at 3:45 PM, The CL leaves WAS around 4 PM. A typical Amtrak connecting train would get you into WAS about 1-2 PM for the layover. That means a NY departure on the regional to WAS would have to be around 10-11 AM.  This extends the NYP-CHI trip 5-6 hours to about 25 hours. Then there is no luggage service until you arrive in WAS so you are limited to the small carry on's. .That sounds like it won't be a good alternative. .. 

 

If you try to book an NYP - CHI trip via WAS Amtrak offers the following:

 

NYP 11:35 (ET) WAS 15:11 (ET) 125

WAS 1605 (ET)  CHI 08:45 (CT) 29

 

That appears to be about 22 hours, not 25 hours as you claim.


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:08 PM

 

Or send the pax down to WAS to take the Capital Ltd.

The LSL leaves NYC at 3:45 PM, The CL leaves WAS around 4 PM. A typical Amtrak connecting train would get you into WAS about 1-2 PM for the layover. That means a NY departure on the regional to WAS would have to be around 10-11 AM.  This extends the NYP-CHI trip 5-6 hours to about 25 hours. Then there is no luggage service until you arrive in WAS so you are limited to the small carry on's. .That sounds like it won't be a good alternative. .. 

 

No, you're not limited to small carry on's.  I've taken the regionals to/from WAS when traveling on the CL.  I've taken my big bag and other bags.



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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:19 PM

 

Or send the pax down to WAS to take the Capital Ltd.

The LSL leaves NYC at 3:45 PM, The CL leaves WAS around 4 PM. A typical Amtrak connecting train would get you into WAS about 1-2 PM for the layover. That means a NY departure on the regional to WAS would have to be around 10-11 AM.  This extends the NYP-CHI trip 5-6 hours to about 25 hours. Then there is no luggage service until you arrive in WAS so you are limited to the small carry on's. .That sounds like it won't be a good alternative. .. 
 
If you try to book an NYP - CHI trip via WAS Amtrak offers the following:
 
NYP 11:35 (ET) WAS 15:11 (ET) 125
WAS 1605 (ET)  CHI 08:45 (CT) 29
 
That appears to be about 22 hours, not 25 hours as you claim.
Yes. But there’s still the hassle of going to DC and changing trains. I’m surprised Philly isn’t on this thread yet.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:20 PM

So is this whole thing confirmed or just very likely?


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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:22 PM

 

Yes. But there’s still the hassle of going to DC and changing trains. I’m surprised Philly isn’t on this thread yet.

 

 

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:27 PM

 Yes. But there’s still the hassle of going to DC and changing trains. I’m surprised Philly isn’t on this thread yet.
 

 
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Oh. I see.

Edited by cpotisch, 01 March 2018 - 06:31 PM.

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Posted 01 March 2018 - 06:38 PM

 


 

You said the T-Word. Now New Yorkers will find out what it's like to live in Philly ... or Boston. Maybe when a bigger city is involved Amtrak will finally fix the problem once and for all.

 

 

 

And...what problem would that be?  The problem of needing to do track work which cuts off access to the station from the north for a few months?

 

The amount of whining and hand-wringing on this thread over what amounts to a normal, run-of-the-mill trackwork service modification is astounding.

 

Last year, Amtrak cut back the Crescent to Washington, DC, to accommodate a project at NYP and no elderly ladies or tiny poddles died because of the need to transfer, with luggage, to continue to New York.  Amtrak regularly cuts back the Crescent at ATL several days a week in the winter because of trackwork.  Many other routes, both corridor and long-distance, have had service adjustments, annulments, forced transfers (including, as I noted earlier, the LSL Boston section), bus substitutions, etc. for periods ranging from a few days to months on end to accommodate planned projects.

 

There is absolutely no reason to believe this would be any different.  If anything, there's greater chance of difficulty for people trying to transfer from NYG to NYP if they need to make a connection from ALB to places along the NEC, yet they managed to work that out last year, too (at least, on a few trains).

 

So, in other words, so much ado about almost nothing.


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