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#141 PVD

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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:37 PM

The only temporary timetable I've seen for Amtrak trains heading South out of NYP starts on 7-10- 17 so I don't think so,, but as all things Amtrak, that could change.



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 10:43 PM

I'm traveling on the Cardinal out of NYP on July 7. Will I recieve any disruptions?

 

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Posted 17 June 2017 - 06:50 AM

To be fair, he'll probably see some disruptions, this is the Cardinal we are talking about.

But this won't be the cause of them. ;)
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 07:40 AM

Of course y'all are right, but we all have our Train Fantasy!😁

As someone who actually got to ride to/from GCT and NYP during the Golden Days just can't forget how nice it was compared to today's NYD!😍 ((D=Dungeon)


We understand your fantasy. I like the idea of arriving in the grandeur of Grand Central myself. But the problem is that foamers spend too much time actually lobbying for public transit resources that should be allocated to projects that functionally approve the effectiveness and reliability of public transit, for the purpose of doing things like restoring and arriving in a grand ediface... when for instance the purpose of this thread is that we are going to have a mess this summer because said resources were not available to maintain the reliable function of a major terminal.
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Posted 17 June 2017 - 01:49 PM

I grew up in a no car household, and had relatives living in Baltimore, going out of Penn was how we got there. I'm sure it was a wonderful place at one time, but I don't remember it being so nice in the 60's, PRR let it get pretty bad, and the neighborhood was dicey. While many of us wax nostalgically about "the great old Penn Station" if half the number of people who say today how terrible it was to get rid of it and build MSG were against replacing it then, it might still be there. Like the WTC, until it got knocked down, most people I know would tell you how they couldn't stand it. Luckily, its (Penn Station) demise led to a changed attitude about landmarks preservation, and we still have GCT.



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Posted 17 June 2017 - 02:47 PM

 


We understand your fantasy. I like the idea of arriving in the grandeur of Grand Central myself. But the problem is that foamers spend too much time actually lobbying for public transit resources that should be allocated to projects that functionally approve the effectiveness and reliability of public transit, for the purpose of doing things like restoring and arriving in a grand ediface... when for instance the purpose of this thread is that we are going to have a mess this summer because said resources were not available to maintain the reliable function of a major terminal.

 

 

This is the line of thinking that concerns me. All the funding in the world is not going to help an overstuffed, outdated piece of infrastructure.  The biggest resource is actually time.  There isn't enough time to get everything that needs to get done between the trains.

 

Take a look at the whining that is occurring a for two month project. Can you imagine if Amtrak decided to take the necessary step of undercutting the High Line?  That would mean a few weeks of single tracking between NWK-NYP. The reality of the situation is no one wants to give up their slots or train to perform the work. As such, projects occur 55 hours at a time, which is insane for the amount of traffic that NYP sustains. 

 

The thing that amuses me the most is the railroads STILL want to stiff more trains into NYP, knowing that is overburdened. For every additional train that is run, that is another slot of maintenance lost and another minute of lost life expectancy.

 

I've said it for years. The resources need diversification and better utilization. Amtrak going to GCT with a few trains is a start in the right direction. It would be nice if this were a permanent solution.  I seriously hope all of these alternative plans work so well, that a lot of them become permanent solutions to the overcrowding of Penn.  As one editor wrote in response to Gov "Pay attention to me" Cuomo's ludicrous and whiny 'it will be a summer of "Hell", we're already in Hell!"


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 03:48 PM

The latest in terms of schedule/service changes: https://www.amtrak.com/NYPrenewal


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:36 PM

To be fair, he'll probably see some disruptions, this is the Cardinal we are talking about.

But this won't be the cause of them. ;)

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:02 AM

Not mentioned in Amtrak's press releases as far as I can tell: The Meteor, Star, and Cardinal are available for coach booking SB NYP-WAS (the Crescent is excluded for obvious reasons).  Also not highlighted: The Crescent's timetable got shoved back by about 90 minutes (it now leaves WAS at 1955), something which is actually going to improve my trip to Atlanta for DragonCon slightly (if nothing else, I can relax more at breakfast).  97 is actually the Crescent's connection at WAS...but pax can only book a roomette starting at WAS (I have to presume that there will either be a very big dinner seating out of WAS or a bunch of seriously annoyed Crescent pax).

An interesting wrinkle with this shuffle: The Crescent now probably only needs three sets (I would sure hope that 20 could turn as 19 in 8 hours, and I suspect the later time out of WAS was to accommodate this), so that saves a diner, two Viewliners, and I suspect four LD Amfleets.  Is there any discussion about where this equipment might show up?  The Viewliners seem like candidates for the Cardinal, but considering the oft-mentioned booking issues on here I'd seriously consider the LSL to be a solid use of the stuff (even if the train could only run longer four days out of the week, that's got be better than idling the equipment).

 

Considering the whole cluster surrounding this, I'm sort-of surprised that Amtrak didn't open up any of the LD trains to bookings NB with a note of "Look, this train is coming from New Orleans/Miami/Chicago and OTP may stink."  Axing three Regionals is nothing to sneeze at (even if I incessantly forget which Regionals got cut) and for once I have to presume that they really need the capacity (even if they might need to lock some of the space).  Normally I do understand why this isn't done, but this isn't "normally" either.


Edited by Anderson, 19 June 2017 - 04:04 AM.

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 04:57 AM

Not mentioned in Amtrak's press releases as far as I can tell: The Meteor, Star, and Cardinal are available for coach booking SB NYP-WAS (the Crescent is excluded for obvious reasons).  Also not highlighted: The Crescent's timetable got shoved back by about 90 minutes (it now leaves WAS at 1955), something which is actually going to improve my trip to Atlanta for DragonCon slightly (if nothing else, I can relax more at breakfast).  97 is actually the Crescent's connection at WAS...but pax can only book a roomette starting at WAS (I have to presume that there will either be a very big dinner seating out of WAS or a bunch of seriously annoyed Crescent pax).

An interesting wrinkle with this shuffle: The Crescent now probably only needs three sets (I would sure hope that 20 could turn as 19 in 8 hours, and I suspect the later time out of WAS was to accommodate this), so that saves a diner, two Viewliners, and I suspect four LD Amfleets.  Is there any discussion about where this equipment might show up?  The Viewliners seem like candidates for the Cardinal, but considering the oft-mentioned booking issues on here I'd seriously consider the LSL to be a solid use of the stuff (even if the train could only run longer four days out of the week, that's got be better than idling the equipment).
 
Considering the whole cluster surrounding this, I'm sort-of surprised that Amtrak didn't open up any of the LD trains to bookings NB with a note of "Look, this train is coming from New Orleans/Miami/Chicago and OTP may stink."  Axing three Regionals is nothing to sneeze at (even if I incessantly forget which Regionals got cut) and for once I have to presume that they really need the capacity (even if they might need to lock some of the space).  Normally I do understand why this isn't done, but this isn't "normally" either.

I believe ThirdRail7 already answered your questions.

The time was pushed back to allow one of the silvers to be the feeder from the north.

Some or all of the cars will stay in WAS as protect.

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2014: Oct(Gathering): WIL=>NYP=>TOL(pd-NER=>LSL) / TOL=>CHI=>LAX=>EMY(pts-LSL=>SWC=>CS) / EMY=>CHI=>TOL (pts-CZ-CL) / TOL=>WAS=>WIL(pd-CL=>NER)
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Posted 20 June 2017 - 10:30 AM

It appears that NYC will finally start construction on a new Penn station maybe even later this year to be completed by 2020.  The drawings look nice but I haven't read how Amtrak will be included in the plans. Good info here:

https://ny.curbed.co...o-redevelopment.

 

 

 

 



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Posted 20 June 2017 - 01:01 PM

The time was pushed back to allow one of the silvers to be the feeder from the north.

Some or all of the cars will stay in WAS as protect.


So why not have a thru sleeper from silver to Crescent ?

If Crescent #20 late just attach sleeper to next NEC regional ?

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Posted 20 June 2017 - 04:44 PM

It appears that NYC will finally start construction on a new Penn station maybe even later this year to be completed by 2020.  The drawings look nice but I haven't read how Amtrak will be included in the plans. Good info here:

https://ny.curbed.co...o-redevelopment.

 

 

 

 

Nice article, thanks for posting it!

 

One of the rendering's shows an aerial view of the new glass  roof over the courtyard of the post office...All the times I've been into that post office, and deep below it on the diagonal platform, I never knew it existed.  I thought it was just a solid building.... :cool:


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 06:14 PM

Those renderings are getting quite a bit of use right out of the gate.  Just watched a 30-second commercial paid for by the State of New York that used those exact graphics as a large part of their presentation.  Mixed in with other large-scale projects either finished, under way or proposed all around the State, it gives the impression that New York City and State are the best places to do business and visit because they're so much more advanced and modern than the rest of the country.

 

The only issue I had with an otherwise enticing commercial is the impression that projects like Moyinhan were very much finished and one could expect to take a train into NYC and visit that rendered station tomorrow.  Could certainly lead to some serious head-scratching for some visitors when they are instead treated to the catacombs of NYP.

 

On the track work, I'm cautiously wary of any overruns in the project timeline since I'll be using the station in mid-September.  The LSL is not mentioned in any of the amended timetables, so I presume it should not be impacted by the work in any negative way.  On the other hand, with the return to California being made by flying cigar tube, I'm not so comfortable that the work won't impact the Long Island JFK shuttle service from Penn to Jamaica.  Just one of those things to be aware of once in the City.


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 07:03 PM

If you're worried about LIRR service to connect with the Airtrain at Jamaica, you could take the subway instead, ('E' train), and save some money too, although it does take about twice the time....


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Posted 20 June 2017 - 09:21 PM

The LIRR has enough frequencies that getting to JFK should not be an issue, although the trains may be more crowded than normal. The subway option is also available, as stated by railiner.
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Posted 21 June 2017 - 06:44 AM

I grew up in a no car household, and had relatives living in Baltimore, going out of Penn was how we got there. I'm sure it was a wonderful place at one time, but I don't remember it being so nice in the 60's, PRR let it get pretty bad, and the neighborhood was dicey. While many of us wax nostalgically about "the great old Penn Station" if half the number of people who say today how terrible it was to get rid of it and build MSG were against replacing it then, it might still be there. Like the WTC, until it got knocked down, most people I know would tell you how they couldn't stand it. Luckily, its (Penn Station) demise led to a changed attitude about landmarks preservation, and we still have GCT.

 

Now that's funny, because I used to go through Penn Station quite a bit during my teenage joyriding years in the late 1960s, and I actually thought the newly-built rat's maze was kind of cool, like something out of Star Trek.  There was actually a reasonably impressive entrance from Pennsylvania Plaza where the cabs dropped you off, down some escalators into a rotunda which contained a large electronic departure board you could read as you descended the escalator, which took you right to the large bank of ticket counters.  Of course, back then, everything was sparkly new, and the place wasn't as dingy as it is today.  I think the crowds were lesser to, so the place, while busy, wasn't the zoo it is today.  And you also had to be into modernist architecture.



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Posted 21 June 2017 - 05:05 PM

Moorman fires back at threats to withhold payments to Amtrak...

 

http://www.nbcnewyor...-429944213.html

 

I think Moorman has got it right and the two Governors are just indulging in political posturing one upmanship that does not help in improving the situation for any user of the system.



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Posted 22 June 2017 - 09:56 AM

You are absolutely right, jis.

 

I am glad to see in the article that Mr. Moorman sounds tougher than he usually does--he's a true gentleman, but  he's dealing with a crowd that is not used to civility.

 

A very annoying part of this situation is that his energy and Amtrak's resources are being drained by just one city. Yes, New York is an extremely important city, but this mess is taking resources and focus away from saving the long-distance trains and from other cities served by train that get one train a day if they are lucky.

 

Would it be at all possible for Amtrak to just get rid of NY Penn? Have it privatized or have NJT and LIRR take it over? And for Amtrak trains that must go through New York to use Grand Central Station again? Then the commuters who are complaining now about NY Penn would have a real mess there, and those of us who just want to get in and out of New York as fast as possible on our way to somewhere else would not.


Edited by Mystic River Dragon, 22 June 2017 - 10:41 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2017 - 10:00 AM

Grand Central Terminal (not station) is stub-ended.  You can't go through it.

 

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