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#1 Seaboard92

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 03:14 PM

Here is a relatively simple idea that could potentially raise some money.

Currently I am sitting on the Palmetto and it has been packed no empty seats since Charleston, SC. Upon talking to the conductor I have found out this train is routinely packed on Thursday going south and Sunday going north. What about adding a car south on Thursday. Letting it sit in Savannah for two nights then sending it north again on Sunday.

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 12:04 AM

Because having a single car sit in SAV for a few nights isn't all that smart. That car could be used elsewhere. Also it's highly likely that their isn't a car available to put in service. 


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 11:19 AM

If they don't want to let the car stay for two nights in Savannah, why don't let it on the train? (Thursday & Saturday southbound and Friday and Sunday northbound)

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Posted 30 April 2017 - 04:55 PM

Seems like a perfectly good idea.  Have to claim a coach from someone else's weekend service, though (maybe cut one of the Empire Service consists down from 7 to 6 or something...)


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Posted 30 April 2017 - 06:19 PM

Once the Midwest bilevels arrive use a horizon car. Wouldn't have to steal anyone's car

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Posted 01 May 2017 - 02:35 PM

We all wish the Midwest bilevels were coming soon.  :-(  It would really relieve the coach shortage.  Dammit Nippon Sharyo...


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Posted 01 May 2017 - 05:01 PM

Seems like a perfectly good idea.  Have to claim a coach from someone else's weekend service, though (maybe cut one of the Empire Service consists down from 7 to 6 or something...)


Our understanding is that the Empire service has a defined number of coaches that NY State pays for ?

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Posted 04 June 2017 - 11:10 PM

Could Amtrak simply lease a single private car to run, perhaps the Lake Pepin, 72 seats in one car, Amtrak certified as well

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 12:23 PM

I'm not sure if they'd like to give the car to Amtrak every weekend.

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Posted 05 June 2017 - 12:26 PM

Could Amtrak simply lease a single private car to run, perhaps the Lake Pepin, 72 seats in one car, Amtrak certified as well

Not likely

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Posted 07 June 2017 - 10:59 PM

I'm not sure if they'd like to give the car to Amtrak every weekend.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind as long as they get paid...

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 12:14 AM

I'm not sure if they'd like to give the car to Amtrak every weekend.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind as long as they get paid...

It would likely be overly expensive. Maintenance costs could also be high and it is likely the owners would want it for personal use on at least some weekends. If Amtrak was to rent a car it would make more sense to rent an active commuter car to be reserved for short distance passengers.
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Posted 08 June 2017 - 01:27 AM

Renting a car would likely eat away any revenue you gained from it.


Edited by Thirdrail7, 08 June 2017 - 01:28 AM.

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Posted 08 June 2017 - 03:56 AM

Isn't the Palmetto already having cut off cars for WASH <> NYP ?

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:23 PM

Isn't the Palmetto already having cut off cars for WASH <> NYP ?

Yes, from the Regional it was combined with (I forget the former train number).  I'm not sure what those cars do when not on the Palmetto.


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Posted 10 June 2017 - 11:46 PM

 

Isn't the Palmetto already having cut off cars for WASH <> NYP ?

Yes, from the Regional it was combined with (I forget the former train number).  I'm not sure what those cars do when not on the Palmetto.

 

 

 

90 runs in lieu of train 198. When the cars cut from 89 in the morning, they same day turn for 90 in the evening..unless they are shopped or require pm.  At any rate, there's nothing wrong with a full train. Adding another car (which they do on occasion) doesn't mean it will pay for itself.


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