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#1 John Bobinyec

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 06:32 PM

Apologies if this post should have been placed in another thread - I looked but couldn't find a good one.

 

After the Exchange Street Station was closed because of storm damage, interested parties came together to discuss what to do about it.  Then Governor Cuomo commissioned a group to study what the best solution to the situation would be.  Some wanted a new station downtown.  Some wanted to refurbish Buffalo Central Terminal.

 

Here's the latest that I've seen.

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:30 PM

I was not aware that the BFX station had closed... do all Buffalo trains now use Depew station?

 

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:34 PM

I believe the trains still stop at Exchange Street, but the station building is closed up.

 

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:48 PM

Yes, the trains still stop there. Not sure if they did any temp repairs to the ceiling,or it's mostly still closed.



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Posted 20 April 2017 - 07:54 PM

Came up in the ESPA 2017 notes.

http://discuss.amtra...es/#entry701201

However your update is much more interesting. Not sure what they mean by a close door meeting. It seem the public meeting got out of control, and they remove the public.

Anyways ESPA implied it was early. Picking a location is not early.

Now can the Lake Shore Limited reach the new location or it will continue to skip it for a suburban station?

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 09:51 PM

If they refurbish Central Terminal (not sure why it was called Terminal since there are thru tracks), it is located right on the mainline and the LSL, the ML and Empire Service trains go thru it!
Take it easy .......

Take the train instead and enjoy the ride!

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Posted 20 April 2017 - 10:05 PM

No. They are not refurbishing the Central Terminal. The new station will be in the downtown area and the LSL will continue to just serve Depew and not the new downtown station.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:40 AM

Here are two more articles:  "Business Decision"  and "State to decide location" .

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:54 AM

In the "State to decide location" article, it was stated that the Amtrak representative voted for the downtown location, rather than Buffalo Central Terminal.  Downtown would be a better location, with the operational exception of the Lake Shore Limited (LSL) having to continue to stop at Depew.  Perhaps it would make more sense to have the LSL make a very short backup move to get into the new station, and skip Depew.  After all, Amtrak does the same thing with the Silver Star at Tampa.

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 07:03 AM

There is close to zero chance of CSX allowing a backup move in that extremely congested area. So my guess is that won't happen.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:00 AM

Maybe I'm mistaken about the path the LSL takes.  Does it go through the wye which is just east of the Exchange Street station?

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 09:31 AM

Maybe I'm mistaken about the path the LSL takes.  Does it go through the wye which is just east of the Exchange Street station?

 

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Yes. The problem is not the move on the Wye to Exchange Street. The problem is the Wye itself. It basically carries a huge mount of CSX freight traffic on its south-east leg. A backup move there would be into that flow of traffic closing down one or both tracks for a while, which would be unacceptable.

 

Even if BCT were ever revived, what would make most sense is to go with a track layout similar to the one being built at Rochester, since it minimizes conflicts. Of course, that would mean a very long walk from the terminal building to the platform, which would be between the two main line tracks of CSX.

 

Depew really should be fixed similarly. It causes a lot of headache for everyone and delays all around because (a) it involves conflicting moves tog et to the single track platform off to the side, and (b) if two trains land up there at about the same time, one has to wait blocking one of the main line tracks while the other finishes its station work. As more trains are added west of Albany, this will become an increasing problem.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 09:38 AM

Is this the wye near Hamburg Street?  There's only one track there.  I was thinking that a LSL which is reversing could get off the main onto a pocket track, yet to be constructed.

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 10:08 AM

Looking at Google maps it appears there is a line that wyes off the Niagara Falls line and loops around the Buffalo Zoo and rejoins the main lines just east of Central Terminal. While a bit roundabout it might allow the LSL to use a downtown (or Exchange St) station.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:02 AM

Looking at Google maps it appears there is a line that wyes off the Niagara Falls line and loops around the Buffalo Zoo and rejoins the main lines just east of Central Terminal. While a bit roundabout it might allow the LSL to use a downtown (or Exchange St) station.

Intriguing.  That would be super confusing for passengers unless the directive signs were good and Amtrak personnel were on the ball.

 

The dilemma is that trains going from Niagara Falls to NYP would go one way while those going from Chicago to NYP would go the exact opposite direction at the station (that is, if the new station is placed on the same line where the old station is).

 

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:18 PM

Sad news.  The idiot mayor's idiot committee voted for the idiot choice of station location.  This means that Amtrak *STILL* has the problem of replacing Depew.  (It's going to end up at Central Terminal, you know...)

 

There was a valid possible station location east of the wye in Larkinville (there's room for passenger sidings, a Syracuse-like setup).  But they rejected that.  And they rejected Central Terminal.  Which means they still need a station in Buffalo for the LSL.

 

Fools.

 

Notably, the Mayor is being primaried and the opponent has vowed to reverse this.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 08:42 PM

Notably, the Mayor is being primaried and the opponent has vowed to reverse this.


Not sure if it's a good thing or a bad thing that passengers trains are back in the political process.




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