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#121 Devil's Advocate

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:57 AM

Lettuce Wars?  Really?


Yes. Really.

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Or, alternatively, how about something more like this...





They look like some weird grownup version of the cabbage patch kids.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:13 PM

Or, alternatively, how about something more like this...

 

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There, that's better.     :)



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:26 PM

I'm not here to start wars on lettuce. Wars over a different kinds of lettuce (the type with dead presidents thereon) maybe.

You asked if anyone ever had a preference for iceberg. I am giving you some places that I do. And overall actually agreeing- it is not my general preference for salad lettuce.

If crispness is the primary appeal then cabbage, carrots, and radishes are substantially crispier than iceberg.


I said "cool wateryness" and a "certain crispness"; cabbage, carrots, and radishes have different sorts of crispnesses and are certainly not watery.

 

It doesn't have much flavor, and it isn't particularly nutritionally useful, but it does have its place.

Yeah, as a dirt cheap vegetable-like filler that was bred to survive long trips in a rail car. As ice based transport was replaced with refrigerated trucks iceberg was reemployed as an easy way to make fatty heart clogging meals look healthier.

I won't dispute you that this is mainly how it's used.
 

In my experience the vast majority of iceberg lettuce is served lathered with mayonnaise or drenched in ranch or bleu cheese or thousand island dressing. People who are health conscious enough to eat lettuce plain or with a low calorie topping wouldn't choose iceberg in the first place.


I do not dispute that this is often the way it is served. That is the fault of the food preparer, not the lettuce.

If I order a burger with 1/2 lb of meat, slathered with sauces, Swiss cheese, goat cheese, and bacon, it will have more calories than if I order burger with 1/3lb of the same meat, sauces, Swiss cheese, goat cheese, bacon, and a chunk of iceberg. True or false?

As I said, it can be used to replace more caloric bulk in a food dish. So it does have uses. If we ever break bread, DA, I can assure you that iceberg is not something found in my kitchen. But I am tired of your one-size-fits-all generalizations.

Personally my favorite low cal bulk up is sauerkraut, which I've heard most people hate. It's actually quite healthy for you because of the active biological components of its fermentation.
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 12:57 PM

You asked if anyone ever had a preference for iceberg. I am giving you some places that I do. And overall actually agreeing- it is not my general preference for salad lettuce.


Fair enough, point taken.

 

In my experience the vast majority of iceberg lettuce is served lathered with mayonnaise or drenched in ranch or bleu cheese or thousand island dressing. People who are health conscious enough to eat lettuce plain or with a low calorie topping wouldn't choose iceberg in the first place.

I do not dispute that this is often the way it is served. That is the fault of the food preparer, not the lettuce. If I order a burger with 1/2 lb of meat, slathered with sauces, Swiss cheese, goat cheese, and bacon, it will have more calories than if I order burger with 1/3lb of the same meat, sauces, Swiss cheese, goat cheese, bacon, and a chunk of iceberg. True or false? As I said, it can be used to replace more caloric bulk in a food dish. So it does have uses.


I think the difference between our positions boils down to a matter of practical vs theoretical. You can make a reasonable case that iceberg could be used as a low calorie replacement for less healthy ingredients. Meanwhile I can make a reasonable case that, from a practical standpoint, iceberg lettuce is very rarely used in such a manner.

 

If we ever break bread, DA, I can assure you that iceberg is not something found in my kitchen. But I am tired of your one-size-fits-all generalizations.


Generalizing may not be infallible it's a lot faster than always being right.   :lol: 

 

Or, alternatively, how about something more like this...

 
There, that's better.


Not really the same thing though. I did once see women wearing raw beef as a joke in a magazine once and... Let's just say it didn't have nearly the same appeal as lettuce bikinis.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:28 PM

I'm not here to start wars on lettuce. 

... my favorite low cal bulk up is sauerkraut, which ... is actually quite healthy because of the active biological components of its fermentation.

Where were you when the lights went out?

 

Down in the cellar eating sauerkraut!

 

It is a probiotic food. And I love it.

 

But sauerkraut does have unpleasant side effects. Glad it's not served in the confined spaces of rail cars. (Let's keep this thread On Topic, please. LOL.)

 

The side effects can usually be prevented with a capsule or two of Beano, the branded product which could as easily be named CabbageO, and in a store brand version of alpha-galactosidase from every major drugstore chain. The vegetable-derived enzyme breaks down complex carbohydrates in the gut and ends the production of excess gas.


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:56 PM

But sauerkraut does have some unpleasant side effects. I'm glad it is not served in the confined spaces of rail cars. (Let's keep this thread On Topic, please. LOL.)
 
The side effects can usually be prevented with a capsule or two of Beano, the branded product which could as easily be named CabbageO, and in a store brand version from every major drugstore chain. The vegetable-derived enzyme breaks down complex carbohydrates in the gut and ends the production of excess gas.

 
Now, now, you went there first. As with most everything, there is an opposing view:
 
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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:31 PM

 


Personally my favorite low cal bulk up is sauerkraut, which I've heard most people hate. It's actually quite healthy for you because of the active biological components of its fermentation.

 

 

Most sauerkraut is "dead," alas. Still tasty, but lacks probiotic benefits.

 

Only place to find kraut (or other pickles) with live cultures in a grocery store is in a refrigerator case. Look for a brand like Bubbies, one that says on the jar it has live cultures.

 

Or make your own--very easy. We usually keep a jar of cucumber pickles fermenting in our kitchen throughout the summer. When they're sour enough for our taste, they go in the fridge and another jar gets started. Yum. Looking forward to cucumbers from the garden again in a few weeks.

 

Sad, but understandable, that nothing this fresh is to be found in an Amtrak dining car. But, in the realm of the feasible, I do think Amtrak could do MUCH better in the fresh-and-healthful department.



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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:05 PM

Now, now, you went there first. As with most everything, there is an opposing view:
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Which brings to mind a clickbait article on one of my news feeds from earlier today...you know why flight attendants take a walkthrough the plane at random times? Well, the change in air pressure results in certain things building up and therefore needing to be released. So it could be said they are spreading the love around...

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 07:45 PM

You know why flight attendants take a walkthrough the plane at random times? Well, the change in air pressure results in certain things building up and therefore needing to be released. So it could be said they are spreading the love around...


If United/American/Delta flight attendants are walking by it may just be another excuse to kick my knees/feet and bump my shoulders/elbows on their way to another gossip session in the area that used to be a galley. In the case of Singapore/Cathay/Korean/Nippon it's probably because they were trained to pass through the cabin on that specific schedule. Never been casually rammed by any of the non-American airlines. The carts and aisles are the same size so I'm not sure why one airline can avoid hitting passengers while another cannot.

Edited by Devil's Advocate, 21 April 2017 - 07:51 PM.

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