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#1 AmtrakBlue

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 05:50 AM

http://www.newarkpos...710203256f.html


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Posted 30 March 2017 - 12:07 PM

DelDOT has a project web page for the station here. Not much, but the presentation to the Newark City Council slides at least give a glimpse of what they are planning.



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 12:48 PM

The project will certainly help things, but I fear the red tape and funding questions will make the SEPTA-MARC meetup a long time coming.



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Posted 30 March 2017 - 12:52 PM

The project will certainly help things, but I fear the red tape and funding questions will make the SEPTA-MARC meetup a long time coming.

Not to mention the name problem. Southeastern Pennsylvania And Maryland??


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Posted 30 March 2017 - 01:02 PM

The project will certainly help things, but I fear the red tape and funding questions will make the SEPTA-MARC meetup a long time coming.

Not to mention the name problem. Southeastern Pennsylvania And Maryland??
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Hey, wait! You left Delaware out.

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:12 PM

Are there any plans to increase service on either of these lines? Otherwise transferring between the trains would be virtually impossible given both lines' weekday rush hour only service.
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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:31 PM

 

The project will certainly help things, but I fear the red tape and funding questions will make the SEPTA-MARC meetup a long time coming.

Not to mention the name problem. Southeastern Pennsylvania And Maryland??

 

 

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 12:39 AM

So, would a trip from a streetcar in Seattle to this part of the country be called "SPAM the SLUT"?


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 10:56 AM

Are there any plans to increase service on either of these lines? Otherwise transferring between the trains would be virtually impossible given both lines' weekday rush hour only service.

 

This is a good question. Maybe the Newark, DE station will have to have a hotel for people making the connection. :P

 

On a more serious note, if this ever materializes I'm sure we'd see an overhaul in schedules. While it will never approach the service frequencies of the PHL-Trenton-NYP connection between SEPTA and NJT, I'm sure the SEPTA-MARC link-up would be a game-changer. [Side note: I wonder if Amtrak might present a bureaucratic obstacle since they would potentially lose thru-passengers on this portion of the route.]

 

All that said, I wonder if Newark (DE) is even the most logical place for a transfer to occur. It would force people in Wilmington (for example) to take a train a few miles west and then immediately transfer. OTOH, I'm not sure if the Wilmington station would have the operational capacity to host two commuter railroad terminals plus Amtrak thru-trains.



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Posted 31 March 2017 - 01:43 PM

On a more serious note, if this ever materializes I'm sure we'd see an overhaul in schedules. While it will never approach the service frequencies of the PHL-Trenton-NYP connection between SEPTA and NJT, I'm sure the SEPTA-MARC link-up would be a game-changer. [Side note: I wonder if Amtrak might present a bureaucratic obstacle since they would potentially lose thru-passengers on this portion of the route.]

 

All that said, I wonder if Newark (DE) is even the most logical place for a transfer to occur. It would force people in Wilmington (for example) to take a train a few miles west and then immediately transfer. OTOH, I'm not sure if the Wilmington station would have the operational capacity to host two commuter railroad terminals plus Amtrak thru-trains.

 

I wouldn't expect that Amtrak would present much of an obstacle, since I think a fair share of the riders that would transfer between SEPTA & MARC probably aren't riding Amtrak on a regular basis.  They will certainly want infrastructure improvements and charge as much as they do for commuter trains else where on the NEC.

 

As for the most logical transfer place... Maybe not, but operationally, barring re-configuring Wilmington and the tracks around there, I think it makes sense.


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 01:53 PM

The location isn't just for transferring between the two systems. The station is located next to UD's STAR campus. They hope workers at the businesses in the STAR campus to utilize the two trains for their commutes. Plus, I think for workers at Aberdeen who live in DE.

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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:01 PM

So, would a trip from a streetcar in Seattle to this part of the country be called "SPAM the SLUT"?

 

I don't get the second part. Is that a Northwest thing?


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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:21 PM

The location isn't just for transferring between the two systems. The station is located next to UD's STAR campus. They hope workers at the businesses in the STAR campus to utilize the two trains for their commutes. Plus, I think for workers at Aberdeen who live in DE.

 

Good points. I would have to assume that UD students might also find having these options convenient.



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Posted 31 March 2017 - 02:54 PM

So, would a trip from a streetcar in Seattle to this part of the country be called "SPAM the SLUT"?

 
I don't get the second part. Is that a Northwest thing?
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:26 PM

One thing I can give some insider info on. The trains that I've been on that serve Newark see many people commuting between Wilmington, Churchmans Crossing, and Newark. It's not uncommon at all. But it should be mentioned that Septa crews despise having to go to Newark. The only time they like going there is if they're on an express train. As it helps the long trip go by much quicker. Crews are qualified to BACON interlocking. But that is a rare trip. Very rare. It should also be noted that Septa trains don't have bathrooms. I believe that some MARC cars have restrooms. And crews are qualified on most of the NEC IINM as they are run by Amtrak crews out of D.C. Zone 2.
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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:48 PM

At a minimum, every MARC train has a restroom in the cab car. A handful of others do as well.

The project will certainly help things, but I fear the red tape and funding questions will make the SEPTA-MARC meetup a long time coming.

Not to mention the name problem. Southeastern Pennsylvania And Maryland??
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Hey, wait! You left Delaware out.

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Posted 02 April 2017 - 12:35 PM

That's better then what we have! Lol!!
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Posted 03 April 2017 - 08:45 AM

MARC basically has restroom facilities similar to NJT.

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Posted 25 April 2017 - 07:54 PM

 

 

The project will certainly help things, but I fear the red tape and funding questions will make the SEPTA-MARC meetup a long time coming.

Not to mention the name problem. Southeastern Pennsylvania And Maryland??
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Hey, wait! You left Delaware out.

 

Damn SPAM?



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Posted 18 July 2017 - 09:55 AM

And groundbreaking has taken place.

 

www.newarkpostonline.com/news/article_3e080474-c70d-574e-9044-e9f42c379189.html


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