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#1 daybeers

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 02:23 PM

I was wondering if there are any updates on upgrades and improvements that are planned for Metro North's New Haven Line. I know they need to replace the catenary, as some of it is original to the New Haven Railroad, dating back to 1907. Replacing outdated bridges and straightening sections are also needed.

 

I drove from Hartford to New Haven on 3/17 (since Amtrak to NYP is expensive last-minute and not very convenient with the bustitutions from New Haven to Springfield, plus there's no comparison with GCT), took the Metro North into the city arriving in Grand Central 10 minutes late, totaling 2 hours and 10 minutes. It was a pretty painful ride: we were running below 30mph for quite a bit. I stayed in NYC for the day and took an express back which arrived in New Haven about 3 minutes early. It is only 75 miles from GCT to New Haven, yet it takes Metro North between 1' 49" and 2 hours. Amtrak does the 72 miles from NYP between 1' 36" and 1' 42", but most of that comes from the Hell Gate Line and only stopping at New Rochelle, Bridgeport, and Stamford.

 

I did some very rough calculations for average speeds on the NEC, and this is what I came up with:

 

WAS-NYP: 226 miles

NER: 69.5 mph

Acela: 82 mph

 

WAS-NHV: 301 miles

NER: 58 mph

Acela: 66 mph

 

WAS-HFD: 337 miles

NER: 56 mph

 

WAS-BOS: 457 miles

NER: 58 mph

Acela: 68.5 mph

 

NYP-NHV: 75 miles

NER: 51 mph

Acela: 52 mph

 

NYP-HFD: 111 miles

NER: 42 mph

 

NYP-BOS: 231 miles

NER: 55 mph

Acela: 60 mph

 

NHV-HFD: 36 miles

NER: 47 mph

 

NHV-BOS: 156 miles

NER: 62 mph

Acela: 74 mph


Edited by daybeers, 19 March 2017 - 02:48 PM.

Amtrak travel so far:

Springfield Shuttle: HFD-WND, HFD-NHV

Lake Shore Limited: SPG-CHI, CHI-SPG Roomette

Northeast Regional round-trip lots of times: NHV-NYP, NHV-WIL, NHV-WAS, HFD-WAS (some in Business)

Acela: PHL-NHV, Business Class

Pennsylvanian: NYP-PGH, PGH-NYP, Business Class

Capitol Limited: WAS-CHI Bedroom

 

Foreign travel:

Eurostar: London-Paris

EuroNight: Paris-Milano Centrale, 6 person couchette (by far the worst train I have ever been on.)

Frecciarossa: Milano Centrale-Roma Termini

 


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:59 PM

so what did you prove or assert?



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Posted 19 March 2017 - 10:29 PM

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 11:23 PM

Someone has way to much time on their hands. 

Haha this actually didn't take me very long. I did it on my 5.5 hour ride on 161 today.


Amtrak travel so far:

Springfield Shuttle: HFD-WND, HFD-NHV

Lake Shore Limited: SPG-CHI, CHI-SPG Roomette

Northeast Regional round-trip lots of times: NHV-NYP, NHV-WIL, NHV-WAS, HFD-WAS (some in Business)

Acela: PHL-NHV, Business Class

Pennsylvanian: NYP-PGH, PGH-NYP, Business Class

Capitol Limited: WAS-CHI Bedroom

 

Foreign travel:

Eurostar: London-Paris

EuroNight: Paris-Milano Centrale, 6 person couchette (by far the worst train I have ever been on.)

Frecciarossa: Milano Centrale-Roma Termini

 


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Posted 19 March 2017 - 11:25 PM

so what did you prove or assert?

In hindsight, nothing really, I kinda just left it there. That was silly of me. I should've also included the fact that Metro North's average speed between GCT and NHV is about 40 mph. I just wanted to know if anyone had any information about the upgrades planned for the New Haven Line.


Amtrak travel so far:

Springfield Shuttle: HFD-WND, HFD-NHV

Lake Shore Limited: SPG-CHI, CHI-SPG Roomette

Northeast Regional round-trip lots of times: NHV-NYP, NHV-WIL, NHV-WAS, HFD-WAS (some in Business)

Acela: PHL-NHV, Business Class

Pennsylvanian: NYP-PGH, PGH-NYP, Business Class

Capitol Limited: WAS-CHI Bedroom

 

Foreign travel:

Eurostar: London-Paris

EuroNight: Paris-Milano Centrale, 6 person couchette (by far the worst train I have ever been on.)

Frecciarossa: Milano Centrale-Roma Termini

 


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:45 AM

Mainly replacement of old bridges, completing the conversion to Constant Tension Catenary, a couple of new stations and some new equipment. The restoration of the fourth track at the east end is also in the plans I believe.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:23 PM

 

Someone has way too much time on their hands. 

Haha this actually didn't take me very long. I did it on my 5.5 hour ride on 161 today.

I actually found it quite interesting. Thanks for the effort.

 

No big surprises. We already knew that Metro North has other priorities. And we already knew that WAS-NYP goes much faster than NYP-BOS. But seeing the Acela doing 60 mph on that northern half of its route made me wince. So I liked seeing the particulars.

 

iiuc, the NHV-HFD (-Springfield) section should be much faster about a year from now, with a lot of double-tracking, curve straightening, etc. going on. And then further upgrades for faster times after the next Stimulus releases further funds.

 

I'm still looking for the promised 3 minutes to be saved from rebuilding the Harold Interlocking just east of the East River tunnels. That would help Acelas and NER trains alike. Trying not to be impatient, I'm just wondering if that work will be finished before the last cars of the CAF order are delivered. LOL.


Edited by WoodyinNYC, 20 March 2017 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:28 PM

Someone has way too much time on their hands. 

Haha this actually didn't take me very long. I did it on my 5.5 hour ride on 161 today.

I actually found it quite interesting. Thanks for the effort.

 

No big surprises. We already knew that Metro North has other priorities. And we already knew that WAS-NYP goes much faster than NYP-BOS. But seeing the Acela doing 60 mph on that northern half of its route made me wince. So I liked seeing the particulars.

 

iiuc, the NHV-HFD (-Springfield) section should be much faster about a year from now, with a lot of double-tracking, curve straightening, etc. going on. And then further upgrades for faster times after the next Stimulus releases further funds.

 

I'm still looking for the promised 3 minutes to be saved from rebuilding the Harold Interlocking just east of the East River tunnels. That would help Acelas and NER trains alike. Trying not to be impatient, I'm just wondering if that work will be finished before the last cars of the CAF order are delivered. LOL.

 

Thanks! Yeah the 60 mph is pretty bad. What are Metro North's other priorities? Its other branches and ordering the additional M8 cars? I would think they would also want to improve the track between GCT and NHV.


Amtrak travel so far:

Springfield Shuttle: HFD-WND, HFD-NHV

Lake Shore Limited: SPG-CHI, CHI-SPG Roomette

Northeast Regional round-trip lots of times: NHV-NYP, NHV-WIL, NHV-WAS, HFD-WAS (some in Business)

Acela: PHL-NHV, Business Class

Pennsylvanian: NYP-PGH, PGH-NYP, Business Class

Capitol Limited: WAS-CHI Bedroom

 

Foreign travel:

Eurostar: London-Paris

EuroNight: Paris-Milano Centrale, 6 person couchette (by far the worst train I have ever been on.)

Frecciarossa: Milano Centrale-Roma Termini

 


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 06:51 PM

The New Haven to New Rochelle route is pretty squirrely.  It's also really really really old.  I don't see a good way to speed it up.  You could reclaim the NYW&B trackbed to widen the right-of-way and ease the curves, but that only works for a very short portion of Westchester County proper and not enough to be worth it.


Edited by neroden, 20 March 2017 - 06:52 PM.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 04:16 PM

Anything that you'd like to do in Connecticut will be met with resounding opposition, especially east of New Haven.  West of New

Haven, perhaps built another ROW on top of the current one.  [Just kidding.]






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