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#21 KmH

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:17 AM

Watching YouTube videos of eastbound Sunset Limited/Texas Eagle pulling into Palm Springs, the trains have a Transition dorm and a sleeper behind the baggage car and are in front of the dining car.

The most recent video I've found was published late January, 2017.

Consist : loco, loco, baggage, trans dorm, sleeper, dining car, SSL, coach/baggage, coach, coach, sleeper.


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Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:22 AM

Watching YouTube videos of eastbound Sunset Limited/Texas Eagle pulling into Palm Springs, the trains have a Transition dorm and a sleeper behind the baggage car and are in front of the dining car.
The most recent video I've found was published late January, 2017.
Consist : loco, loco, baggage, trans dorm, sleeper, dining car, SSL, coach/baggage, coach, coach, sleeper.

The rearmost two cars are 421/422.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:01 PM

The trans-dorm & sleepers in front of the Dining Car are "train" 1/2 (NOL-LAX) and the rear sleeper is "train" 421/422 (CHI-LAX).
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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:39 PM

I'm seeing a lot of discussion about 21 versus 421, thanks. 

 

I'm a bit confused on which option to choose, 21 or 421.  It sounds like one or the other will determine if you are tacked onto the end of the train and have to walk all the way through coach in order to reach the dining and SSL cars, is that correct?  Nothing personal, but I would rather not have to walk through the multiple coach cars when having to reach the dining and SSL cars.

 

Also, what is the trans dorm or transition sleeper?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:47 PM

Transition sleeper is half crew car, half passengers. It also has a low door on one end so it can connect to a single level car like the baggage car.

421/422 is sometimes on the rear and sometimes right behind the transition sleeper. Never can tell.

I have always found the 421/422 rooms cheaper that the 21/22 so that could also be a consideration for you.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 07:50 PM

I just was reading through this thread and got myself confused.  I'm ticketed in April on train 22 in sleeper 2220, room 3.  It didn't give me a 422 train option on this day so assuming it's one of the days without a Sunset Ltd connection.  Am I correct thinking 2220 is the full sleeper?



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:46 PM

2220 is on a day that does NOT connect with SL.  2230 would be the sleeper that connects from LAX to CHI, Train 422.  


Edited by Lonestar648, 20 March 2017 - 08:46 PM.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 10:46 AM

Between San Antonio and Chicago the sleeper is always adjacent to the dining/cafe car no matter the train or car number.  Between San Antonio and Los Angeles if you stay on a Texas Eagle through sleeper you will always be the last car on the train and have to walk through coaches and SSL to get to the dining car.  There is a sleeper near the front of the Sunset Limited adjacent to the dining car but it is the New Orleans to Los Angeles sleeper and both the dining car and sightseer lounge on this train is New Orleans to Los Angeles.  



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:12 AM

Between San Antonio and Chicago the sleeper is always adjacent to the dining/cafe car no matter the train or car number.  Between San Antonio and Los Angeles if you stay on a Texas Eagle through sleeper you will always be the last car on the train and have to walk through coaches and SSL to get to the dining car.  There is a sleeper near the front of the Sunset Limited adjacent to the dining car but it is the New Orleans to Los Angeles sleeper and both the dining car and sightseer lounge on this train is New Orleans to Los Angeles.  

Not quite correct.

 

As noted earlier, between San Antonio and Chicago the FULL sleeper is sometimes next to the dining car, and sometimes on the rear. Every time I have ridden during the summer, the full sleeper was on the rear. Friend who was on it last week, the full sleeper was next to the dining car.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 11:28 AM

The only time that it really matters if you are on 421/421 or 21/22 is if you are going beyond San Antonio either way. (Example: Austin to Tuscon or El Paso to Dallas.)

If you were to book 21 connecting to 1 or 2 connecting to 22, you must disembark in San Antonio for an overnight stay (in the far from luxurious station) and wait for the general boarding of the new train. If you were to book on421/422 all the way through, you could sleep in your seat or room all night through the stop!

If your sleeper is 2119/2219 (I think), it is the trans-dorm - which is not put on/off the SL. If you're sleeper is 2120/2220, it's the full sleeper on non-SL days that just go CHI-SAS. If you're sleeper is 2130/2230, it's the full sleeper that goes CHI-LAX, and is switched in SAS between trains.

The full sleeper has Bedrooms A-E and Roomettes 2-14. The trans-dorm only has Roomettes numbered above #17. (It has no bedrooms.)

Edited by the_traveler, 21 March 2017 - 11:30 AM.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 12:18 PM

As you can tell from the posts, it's Amtrak, so to use a lawyers favorite phrase, "It depends!"🤔😄 YMMV

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:15 PM

book on421/422 all the way through, you could sleep in your seat or room all night through the stop!
 

Yep.

That's why on my eastbound trip in May I'm moving from the 22 sleeper to the 422 in Alpine.

The 2 sleeper had a lower price (about 1/2) from LA to Alpine than the 422 sleeper when I booked several months ago.


Edited by KmH, 22 March 2017 - 10:19 AM.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:39 PM

How did you get the 22 sleeper from LAX to Alpine?:huh: Train #22 starts in SAS and goes to CHI. Alpine is BEFORE SAS! (Or did you switching from 2 to 422?)

Edited by the_traveler, 21 March 2017 - 06:40 PM.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 06:47 PM

In the summer, 421/422 sleepers are usually higher because of the demand for through rooms.  I am booked on 422 this summer out of LAX to AUS.  A recent check on available rooms showed 1 Bedroom and 1 Roomette remaining to be sold. Imagine this car will be sold out months before we depart mid-July.  In the summer the rooms go fast.


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:18 AM

How did you get the 22 sleeper from LAX to Alpine? :huh: Train #22 starts in SAS and goes to CHI. Alpine is BEFORE SAS! (Or did you switching from 2 to 422?)

Finger check - in effective proof read - Train #2,


Edited by KmH, 22 March 2017 - 10:19 AM.

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 10:39 AM

I'm seeing a lot of discussion about 21 versus 421, thanks. 
 
I'm a bit confused on which option to choose, 21 or 421.  It sounds like one or the other will determine if you are tacked onto the end of the train and have to walk all the way through coach in order to reach the dining and SSL cars, is that correct?  Nothing personal, but I would rather not have to walk through the multiple coach cars when having to reach the dining and SSL cars.
 
Also, what is the trans dorm or transition sleeper?


It doesn't matter. The consist is the same everyday and they put you in the same car regardless. Just book the cheaper option.
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