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#41 Philly Amtrak Fan

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Posted 19 March 2017 - 05:33 AM

 

 

Wow, that's unheard of this day and age to have food portions smaller today than they were back then.


Trains Traveled:
 
Broadway Limited (CHI-Harrisburg, PA) 
Three Rivers (Harrisburg, PA-CHI, Altoona, PA-CHI, PHL-CHI)
Capitol Limited (CHI-WAS)
Lake Short Limited (NYP-CHI)
Silver Meteor (PHL-ORL)
Southwest Chief (CHI-LAX)
California Zephyr (CHI-SLC, SLC-EMY)
City of New Orleans and/or Illini (CHI-Champaign, IL)

 

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Posted 28 March 2017 - 09:05 PM

Looking at pre-Amtrak trains canceled on or before A-Day, I thought PRR/PC's Cincinnati Limited (http://www.american-...m/cinn-ltd.html) should have been kept after A-Day for a faster route from Cincinnati to the NEC.

 

Also serving Cincinnati was L&N's Humming Bird/Pan American between Cincinnati and New Orleans via Louisville/Nashville (http://www.american-...mming-bird.html, http://www.american-...american.html). I would say the Floridian/South Wind would better serve Louisville and Nashville. You could have combined the Cincinnati Limited and Humming Bird/Pan American for a NYP-NOL on a different route although I'm not sure that would be better than the current Crescent (Atlanta/Carolina vs. Columbus/Cincinnati/Louisville/Nashville).

 

They also had a Chicago-Atlanta train (Georgian, http://www.american-.../georgian.html)via Nashville and Chattanooga. Did Chattanooga ever have Amtrak service? I think a Chicago-Atlanta would be useful if we had better facilities in Atlanta. There have been proposals for Chicago-Florida via Atlanta but has there ever been a Chicago-Florida route that served Atlanta? 

 

I'm curious about routes from Detroit to the NEC in the 60's. I saw a few trains from American Rails but the schedules are from the 40's.


Trains Traveled:
 
Broadway Limited (CHI-Harrisburg, PA) 
Three Rivers (Harrisburg, PA-CHI, Altoona, PA-CHI, PHL-CHI)
Capitol Limited (CHI-WAS)
Lake Short Limited (NYP-CHI)
Silver Meteor (PHL-ORL)
Southwest Chief (CHI-LAX)
California Zephyr (CHI-SLC, SLC-EMY)
City of New Orleans and/or Illini (CHI-Champaign, IL)

 

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 08:29 AM

Looking at pre-Amtrak trains canceled on or before A-Day, I thought PRR/PC's Cincinnati Limited (http://www.american-...m/cinn-ltd.html) should have been kept after A-Day for a faster route from Cincinnati to the NEC.
 
Also serving Cincinnati was L&N's Humming Bird/Pan American between Cincinnati and New Orleans via Louisville/Nashville (http://www.american-...mming-bird.html, http://www.american-...american.html). I would say the Floridian/South Wind would better serve Louisville and Nashville. You could have combined the Cincinnati Limited and Humming Bird/Pan American for a NYP-NOL on a different route although I'm not sure that would be better than the current Crescent (Atlanta/Carolina vs. Columbus/Cincinnati/Louisville/Nashville).
 
They also had a Chicago-Atlanta train (Georgian, http://www.american-.../georgian.html)via Nashville and Chattanooga. Did Chattanooga ever have Amtrak service? I think a Chicago-Atlanta would be useful if we had better facilities in Atlanta. There have been proposals for Chicago-Florida via Atlanta but has there ever been a Chicago-Florida route that served Atlanta? 
 
I'm curious about routes from Detroit to the NEC in the 60's. I saw a few trains from American Rails but the schedules are from the 40's.

Prior to the Penn Central merger, you could get from the Northeast to Cincinnati on both the PRR, and the NYC...
And you could also get there on the B&O, the C&O, and the N&W...
From Detroit to New York City, there were several thru NYC Lines trains via Canada, or you could connect in Toledo. There were other connection possibilities on other roads as well.

Amtrak never served Chattanooga. Prior to Amtrak you could go on several trains between Chicago and Cincinnati, and connect there with thru trains to Florida....there may have been some thru Pullman's via that routing...
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Posted 30 March 2017 - 10:45 AM

Looking at pre-Amtrak trains canceled on or before A-Day, I thought PRR/PC's Cincinnati Limited (http://www.american-...m/cinn-ltd.html) should have been kept after A-Day for a faster route from Cincinnati to the NEC.
 
Also serving Cincinnati was L&N's Humming Bird/Pan American between Cincinnati and New Orleans via Louisville/Nashville (http://www.american-...mming-bird.html, http://www.american-...american.html). I would say the Floridian/South Wind would better serve Louisville and Nashville. You could have combined the Cincinnati Limited and Humming Bird/Pan American for a NYP-NOL on a different route although I'm not sure that would be better than the current Crescent (Atlanta/Carolina vs. Columbus/Cincinnati/Louisville/Nashville).
 
They also had a Chicago-Atlanta train (Georgian, http://www.american-.../georgian.html)via Nashville and Chattanooga. Did Chattanooga ever have Amtrak service? I think a Chicago-Atlanta would be useful if we had better facilities in Atlanta. There have been proposals for Chicago-Florida via Atlanta but has there ever been a Chicago-Florida route that served Atlanta? 
 
I'm curious about routes from Detroit to the NEC in the 60's. I saw a few trains from American Rails but the schedules are from the 40's.

Prior to the Penn Central merger, you could get from the Northeast to Cincinnati on both the PRR, and the NYC...
And you could also get there on the B&O, the C&O, and the N&W...
From Detroit to New York City, there were several thru NYC Lines trains via Canada, or you could connect in Toledo. There were other connection possibilities on other roads as well.

Amtrak never served Chattanooga. Prior to Amtrak you could go on several trains between Chicago and Cincinnati, and connect there with thru trains to Florida....there may have been some thru Pullman's via that routing...
I know the Carolina Special carried a thru Columbia Chicago sleeper I believe. I wish this train still existed as it would make deadheads more pleasant.

I know the Royal Palm which was a Cincinnati to Florida train carried thru cars from several New York Central Midwest trains from Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Indianapolis.

The Midwestern terminals that had Florida trains would be Chicago, Cincinnati, and I believe St Louis had one that was a Frisco operation.

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Posted 30 March 2017 - 11:48 AM

And the furthest was the Frisco "Kansas City- Florida Special"...it ran via Springfield, Mo. and Memphis...

That train might have had Pullman's from Denver or maybe even further, IIRC....

Edited by railiner, 30 March 2017 - 11:51 AM.

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Posted 30 April 2017 - 10:07 PM

The Dixie Flagler (http://www.american-...ie-flagler.html) went further than the Georgian and went to Florida. They had a St. Petersburg section and a Miami section. Neither served Orlando but this was before Disney World.


Trains Traveled:
 
Broadway Limited (CHI-Harrisburg, PA) 
Three Rivers (Harrisburg, PA-CHI, Altoona, PA-CHI, PHL-CHI)
Capitol Limited (CHI-WAS)
Lake Short Limited (NYP-CHI)
Silver Meteor (PHL-ORL)
Southwest Chief (CHI-LAX)
California Zephyr (CHI-SLC, SLC-EMY)
City of New Orleans and/or Illini (CHI-Champaign, IL)

 

Bring back the Broadway Limited (or Three Rivers or any Chicago-Pittsburgh-Philly train)!
 

https://www.facebook...roadwayLimited/

 


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Posted 16 June 2017 - 07:01 AM

I definitely didn't live during this era(sigh, it was before my time), but seeing this Steamliner long distance train route map is amazing! I sometimes wish I was born a few decades earlier(or find a time machine, lol), so I could've experienced the last 1960s years of the pre-Amtrak long distance train era. This is the map I mean(wish I knew the exact year, it was depicting when these Steamliner routes operated. still a great map):

 

http://www.streamlin...oss_america.pdf



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 08:56 AM

I definitely didn't live during this era(sigh, it was before my time), but seeing this Steamliner long distance train route map is amazing! I sometimes wish I was born a few decades earlier(or find a time machine, lol), so I could've experienced the last 1960s years of the pre-Amtrak long distance train era. This is the map I mean(wish I knew the exact year, it was depicting when these Steamliner routes operated. still a great map):

 

http://www.streamlin...oss_america.pdf

Very nice map!

 

It is interesting that it is missing more than half of the Northeast to Florida service. The whole route via Charleston is missing, and it appears that the Petersburg - Raleigh - Columbia route is missing too. All of those ran at least one "Streamliner". Seems like it has been put together based on incomplete information.



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Posted 16 June 2017 - 02:57 PM

It is a nice map, but a lot more 'streamliner' routes across the entire country are missing, as well...


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Posted 17 June 2017 - 11:56 AM

The map was a contribution from a visitor. I don't have the master PDF he used to be able to add trains to it. Plus my graphics skills are, shall we say, lacking.

The map is not from any particular date but most of the trains on it were active from the late 1940s into the early 1960s. There are many notable trains missing, such as MoPac's Eagle network which linked St. Louis with Dallas-Fort Worth, El Paso, Houston and Louisiana. The Chicago-El Paso-Los Angeles Golden State would be a great addition as well. There are more trains to add than I have time to type, especially as I'm on my cell phone right now....

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