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Where will the first class car be on my Acela Express journey?


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 12:00 PM

Hello from the UK,

 

On Sunday May 14, we are travelling from Providence, R.I. to New York, N.Y. on train # 2253 at 11:45am. Where will the first class car be - at the front or at the rear of the train?

 

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Posted 05 March 2017 - 01:10 PM

Hello from the UK,
 
On Sunday May 14, we are travelling from Providence, R.I. to New York, N.Y. on train # 2253 at 11:45am. Where will the first class car be - at the front or at the rear of the train?
 
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Ask at the Providence station when you get there which end. Either end is possible so no way to know for sure ahead of the train departing Boston on May 14.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 03:48 PM

There is no way to know in advance.  Depends which consist is assigned to make that run that day.  



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 06:55 PM

There is a Power(Engine) car at each end of the train and the first class car when I rode was the last car before the trailing power car.  Since I only rode one time and live in Tennessee, I don't know if that is standard or different for all sets of Acela Equipment.  It did appear that each Acela train was a distinctive equipment set with push pull operation meaning that the train was not turned at the end of each trip.  In fact, Washington, DC, did not appear to provide a point to turn a train so the equipment would simply operate in the reverse direction when the southbound arrival departed as the northbound train.  If that is the case, the first class car will be at either end adjacent to the power engine car.


Edited by Tennessee Traveler, 05 March 2017 - 07:00 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2017 - 09:30 PM

The station agents can look it up on the computer. At RTE and PVD the location is usually announced over the public address system. For example "Acela arriving Track 1, First class position 2". You would then go and stand by the "Position 2 sign".



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Posted 05 March 2017 - 10:00 PM

The First Class car is always at the end, but it may not always be at the same end.

I have been at the Club Acela many times in Washington when they announced "The xx:xx Acela boarding on track ## - First Class in Front". The next Acela may be announced as "The xx:xx Acela boarding on track ## - First Class in the last car". Thus, it is unknown until just before departure where First Class is located. The ticket agents can tell you at the station.
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Posted 09 March 2017 - 08:56 AM

There is a Power(Engine) car at each end of the train and the first class car when I rode was the last car before the trailing power car.  Since I only rode one time and live in Tennessee, I don't know if that is standard or different for all sets of Acela Equipment.  It did appear that each Acela train was a distinctive equipment set with push pull operation meaning that the train was not turned at the end of each trip.  In fact, Washington, DC, did not appear to provide a point to turn a train so the equipment would simply operate in the reverse direction when the southbound arrival departed as the northbound train.  If that is the case, the first class car will be at either end adjacent to the power engine car.


Equipment can be turned using the wye in the yard if needed, though typically yes, the equipment does not get turned around.


To the OP - For an Acela where the consist is starting its day in Boston, the first class car is typically to the rear. But as said, check with an agent in the station, if they don't announce it.

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 11:44 AM

The station agents can look it up on the computer. At RTE and PVD the location is usually announced over the public address system. For example "Acela arriving Track 1, First class position 2". You would then go and stand by the "Position 2 sign".

they removed the position signs in PVD. Unclear why - we used to have A, B, C, D, E etc.

The agents at the ticket window in PVD are very friendly and will tell you.

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 08:31 PM

The station agents can look it up on the computer. At RTE and PVD the location is usually announced over the public address system. For example "Acela arriving Track 1, First class position 2". You would then go and stand by the "Position 2 sign".

they removed the position signs in PVD. Unclear why - we used to have A, B, C, D, E etc.

The agents at the ticket window in PVD are very friendly and will tell you.

I hope you enjoy your visit to Rhode Island!!

I wasn't thinking when I made my post. I forgot they have the more standardized signs now. Go downstairs and look at the signs (which is the problem since many don't), and provided the engineer spots the train where they should, the signs will tell you were the quiet car or first class car (or business and quiet car on a regional).

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 04:16 PM

For those taking an Acela out of Penn Station, knowing which end is the front can be a puzzling situation. 


Edited by Palmetto, 13 March 2017 - 04:27 PM.


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Posted 12 March 2017 - 05:39 PM

For those taking an Acela out of Penn Station, know which end is the front can be a puzzling situation. 


Ask the usher at the boarding gate.

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Posted 13 March 2017 - 08:45 AM

If you're boarding at NYP and are in First Class, most likely you'll be in the Club Acela. They provide an escort to the train.

Even if you don't, it is easy to know "which is the front end". If the train is headed towards WAS, the front will be on the west end of the platform. If the train is headed towards BOS, the front will be on the east end. If they board from the east gates (i.e. - 9E, 12E, etc...), the west end will be farthest from the escalator and the east end will be nearest. If they board from the west gates (i.e. - 10W, 13W, etc...), it is opposite.
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Posted 29 March 2017 - 02:59 PM

This is where the anal retentive Japanese method is quite nice. Not only do the car numbers line up within centimeters of the line on the platform, but they ALWAYS maintain their consists consistent, IE: Car #1 is always facing Tokyo (or the major city on the route). Car #16 will NEVER be in a different place on a different consist going the same direction at the same station.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 03:21 PM

This is where the anal retentive Japanese method is quite nice. Not only do the car numbers line up within centimeters of the line on the platform, but they ALWAYS maintain their consists consistent, IE: Car #1 is always facing Tokyo (or the major city on the route). Car #16 will NEVER be in a different place on a different consist going the same direction at the same station.


I'm inclined to believe that people who see nothing wrong with Amtrak probably have little or no experience with passenger rail systems in other countries.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 03:27 PM

This is where the anal retentive Japanese method is quite nice. Not only do the car numbers line up within centimeters of the line on the platform, but they ALWAYS maintain their consists consistent, IE: Car #1 is always facing Tokyo (or the major city on the route). Car #16 will NEVER be in a different place on a different consist going the same direction at the same station.

That is made much easier by having a semi permanently coupled set and not worrying about setting up a different cab for each run, which is why Acela tends to be turned on a loop or wye between runs.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 07:24 PM

No, AE doesn't have to be turned. They just use the Power Car on the other end.

That's why First may be the 1st car out of NYP, but the last car out of WAS or BOS. And it's the same consist that arrived.
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Posted 29 March 2017 - 08:48 PM

No, AE doesn't have to be turned. They just use the Power Car on the other end.

That's why First may be the 1st car out of NYP, but the last car out of WAS or BOS. And it's the same consist that arrived.

I never said it *had* to turn, only that it tends to turn, especially if the cleaning and restocking occurs outside the station.

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Posted 29 March 2017 - 09:07 PM

On my only trip on Acela Wilmington, DE, to DC my first class car was the last passenger car just in front of the trailing engine.



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Posted 31 March 2017 - 09:24 AM

There are only two turns a day that are routinely turned on the loop in NY.   2100 for 2117 and 2104 for 2121.



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Posted 31 March 2017 - 10:35 AM

There are only two turns a day that are routinely turned on the loop in NY.   2100 for 2117 and 2104 for 2121.

Ok, so why are they not turning them on the loop that is clearly designed to accommodate a quick turn in sunnyside yard? Do they turn the regionals on that loop?



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