Lincoln Service 110mph sections as of 2017?

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On what sections and for how long do the Lincoln Service trains do 110 mph between St. Louis and Chicago as of now (Feb 2017)?

Do all trains hit 110 mph daily or does it need special planetary alignment and sacrifice to a deity to get to experience it?
 
There are no updates on the idot website. That says 4 hours by the end of 2017. However it also indicated that the bilevels would be delivered by end of 2017.

The new charger locomotives should began arriving this year. So that's a plus.

As I right this I'm on 304 approaching Pontiac. 301 was operating at 100 mph hour when I glanced at my phone GPs motion x map app. Not sure if we made 110. I'll post in a few to tell you what happens with 304.
 
There are no updates on the idot website. That says 4 hours by the end of 2017. However it also indicated that the bi-levels would be delivered by end of 2017.

The new charger locomotives should began arriving this year. ...
Latest I heard was that almost all the heavy work has been completed, new rail and concrete ties, new bridges, sidings, even miles and miles of fencing. Now many miles of tracks are ready to handle the 110-mph trains, except for a few things. Grade crossings.

Each grade crossing is its own project, with each city's planning office and its police dept, etc, having a say, and the mayor or even the city council offering their opinions. Getting the paperwork in order and signed off before construction can begin on every single crossing came to be far more time-consuming than projected. But IDOT and the UP were promising to get much of that work finished before construction season begins.

You noticed a shortage of public information. You know, of course, that the Repub Governor has not been a good friend of passenger rail, That makes it possible that the less the train people say about this project the better. In that light, I read that you arrived 30 minutes early as a possible clue that the Lincoln trains are already going faster where they can, not waiting for new schedules or a Grand Opening. And I certainly expect a mad dash to install the new equipment (llights. horns, barriers) at the last of the grade crossings.

UP is basically doing all the work. Fine, it's their ROW and they know how to do this stuff. They will invoice IDOT, which in turn will ask the FRA for reimbursement from the Stimulus funds. The paperwork deadline for that is Sept., the last of the fiscal year. Everybody is shooting to get finished with the work and the paperwork earlier, say by the end of June, in hopes of getting that federal money as soon as possible, and because after all, you never know.
 
Yes that was me. Also arrived 20 minutes early into Chicago. All meets were rolling meets today. So the new passing sidings are helping. I'm sure that's what helped. We were a few minutes early into Joliet on 304.
 
Ok, so the basic question still remains unanswered- which sections of the St. Louis to Chicago route has 110 mph running already existing? Between which stations can I expect to see those speeds?
 
What would it take to get the TE up to 100 mph, the track is there, and Superliners are rated for 100 MPH
Permission from UP as a starter, since it is apparently not covered by the agreement that allows 110mph operation for the Lincoln Service.
 
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It is really ridiculous that all the money was spent and the TE can't go 100 mph because of a technicality. BTW, I believe the track owner is UP.

Edit-Sorry, I started typing before the UP correction post above my mine was posted.
 
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Some news in this nice overview by Mark Schlinkmann in the St Louis Post-Dispatch.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/traffic/along-for-the-ride/along-for-the-ride-illinois-amtrak-improvements-in-final-stretch/article_1ecae48e-92c3-500e-883f-7f8f5e8dc20c.html

Although the improvements are expected to be finished this year, exactly when the new 110-mph maximums actually will begin is hard to pinpoint, officials say.



It could be sometime next year. But timing depends on testing of a new type of signaling system on the line, which Amtrak shares with freight trains.

Richard Harnish, of the Midwest High Speed Rail Association, said the system includes positive train control. That will use radio and GPS technology to help monitor trains’ position and speed. “They have to be very conservative with testing,” he said.

... speed isn’t the project’s only benefit. ... better train flow and increased reliability. In other words, fewer delays that sometimes make current trips longer than the scheduled five-and-a-half hours.

... much of the line is a single track that accommodates passenger and freight trains in both directions. To reduce delays, double-track segments and passing sidings have been added or lengthened so two trains can run simultaneously in more areas. ...
The article left me a bit unsatisfied. We don't even know if they will add 1 or 3 or 0 more frequencies and how they plan to schedule them. Still, it's far better than what we heard out of Nippon-Sharyo.
 
I don't think there's ever been any indication that there will be additional CHI-STL trains added. I thought that it was left to a future (unfunded) phase to add the improvements that would result in 8-9 trains/day (up from the 5 trains/day today). Buried somewhere in the planning documents for the current improvements there is a 5 train/day 110mph schedule, although I cannot recall if travel times were adjusted at all for the Texas Eagle or if it was just for the Lincoln Service trains.

I'd add that the question of when 110mph running will be instituted (beyond the short DWT-PON section) is also unsatisfying. "It *could* be sometime next year (2018)."

As to the question of ride quality in the 110mph section, I've ridden it a number of times (including a few days ago) and I don't recall noticing much difference between 79mph and 110mph sections, other than seeing that you're going around the same speed as traffic on the adjacent I-55 or significantly faster than traffic.
 
I'd add that the question of when 110-mph running will be instituted (beyond the short DWT-PON section) is also unsatisfying. "It *could* be sometime next year (2018)."
Very unsatisfying. And they could quickly get in a pinch: the new bi-levels will have about 30% more seats, if they ever get out of the N-S plant in Rochelle. But that capacity simply won't be there when the current ride becomes "about an hour" faster, attracting many new riders.

If they do add another frequency, going from 4 Lincoln trains to 5 a day, that would give a fat 25% increase in capacity even using the existing cars, more using bi-levels.

Guess they can manage demand to some extent by raising the fares, but that also would be unsatisfying. I liked the original plan better: Faster trains attract more riders, filling more capacity, which means more revenue, lower losses, and less state subsidy required.

This is the showpiece project of the Stimulus Billions, showing how investment in faster tracks and trains can slash operating losses. Very unsatisfying if we can't see that happening any time soon.
 
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The Chicago - St. Louis High Speed Project has got to be one of the slowest executing High Speed Projects in the world. It's now been going on for over a decade as far as I can tell. Its origins go far beyond the Obama stimulus.
 
Some of the work is being carried out based upon a 2003 federal study (EIS, perhaps, can't recall), unfunded of course until the 2009 ARRA. And there were efforts and studies in the 1990s as well.

But even just looking at the Obama-era funding, it seems to be taking far longer than somewhat comparable projects elsewhere.
 
China has built an entire hsr system in that time period.
I'm sure high speed trains are just around the corner...

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