Jump to content




Photo

engineer with many rule violations


  • Please log in to reply
21 replies to this topic

#1 amtrakmichigan

amtrakmichigan

    OBS Chief

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 444 posts
  • Location:Plymouth,Mi

Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:44 PM

im on train 353 in b.c. on the front end w.b. to chicago. i have witnessed the engineer of this train violate a couple different rules. 1) multiple crossings that the horn was not blown, blown very late, or improperly. 2) highway crossing just west of hammond, In station fouled without gates even being a qtr. way down. should i make a complaint (heads up) of this and if so, to who?

49,731 rail miles and counting.


#2 JoeBas

JoeBas

    Conductor

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 878 posts

Posted 16 February 2017 - 04:58 PM

[popcorn] IBTL  [/popcorn]



#3 keelhauled

keelhauled

    OBS Chief

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 497 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:VT

Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:00 PM

Are you qualified to operate trains on that route? If no, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the engineer knows more than you, and if yes I would hope you know the proper procedure for reporting violations, so your question seems ill-founded to begin with.


Go on, raise the flag, I got stars in my eyes...I'm in love with her and I won't apologize.


#4 Ryan

Ryan

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,405 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:OTN
  • Interests:a fact checker combined with a ferret

Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:08 PM

Are you qualified to operate trains on that route? If no, perhaps you should consider the possibility that the engineer knows more than you, and if yes I would hope you know the proper procedure for reporting violations, so your question seems ill-founded to begin with.


Winner.
Posted Image

Disclaimer: Any images or links you see in my post may in fact be invasive advertising or even fraudulent phishing attacks silently injected into my post by our spam based hosting service. If anything looks suspicious or inappropriate or you have any doubt whatsoever then do not click any links (particularly those appearing in green and/or with a double underline) or interact with the spam in any way. You may also want to consider using ad-blocking plugins such as Adblock Plus and/or Ghostery)to help reduce the number and severity of advertising scams directed at you.

#5 JoeBas

JoeBas

    Conductor

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 878 posts

Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:21 PM

I've heard of Backseat Drivers before... if this guy is in the 1st row of the 3rd coach, would that make him a backbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackbackseat driver? ;) 



#6 MikefromCrete

MikefromCrete

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,154 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Crete, IL

Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:39 PM

Unless you're a qualified engineer on this route, you don't know if your train's engineer is violating any rules.  Have you ever heard of quiet zones? Perhaps those crossings did not require horn activation. 



#7 SarahZ

SarahZ

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,973 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Interests:Reading, writing, baking, local history, urban exploration, music, dancing, and looking for new adventures

Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:50 PM

im on train 353 in b.c. on the front end w.b. to chicago. i have witnessed the engineer of this train violate a couple different rules. 1) multiple crossings that the horn was not blown, blown very late, or improperly. 2) highway crossing just west of hammond, In station fouled without gates even being a qtr. way down. should i make a complaint (heads up) of this and if so, to who?

 

You were not in the cab, so you did not "witness" anything.

 

Since you were not in the cab, you could not possibly see the signs up ahead indicating when it was time to whistle (or not whistle, if in a quiet zone). You also could not see any signals. If you did see those signs/signals as a passenger, they were seconds/moments later, when it's moot.

 

I'm not sure which "highway" crossing just west of the Hammond station you are talking about. The next road west, in front of the casino, has large, rolling gates on either side of the tracks, which prevent traffic from entering that area. Then the train goes under Casino Center Drive and continues under U.S. 12. The train then travels alongside the Skyway, nowhere near traffic, before it crosses the Calumet River and continues above traffic all the way to Union Station.

 

Depending on where you boarded, you may not have had the same engineer on the entire route. If memory serves me correctly, you're from Jackson. Battle Creek is a crew change point. If these supposed violations occurred throughout your entire trip, then it was not the same engineer.


Amtrak Miles: 39,318

 

Amtrak Routes: Blue Water, California Zephyr, Capitol Limited, Carl Sandburg, City of New Orleans, Coast Starlight, Crescent, Empire Builder, Hiawatha, Illinois Zephyr, Lincoln Service, Southwest Chief, Texas Eagle, Wolverine

 

Metropolitan Rail: Chicago Metra, Chicago L, Dallas TRE, Detroit People Mover, New Orleans RTA, San Francisco MUNI, Seattle Monorail, South Shore Line (NICTD), Toronto Subway & RT, Washington DC Metro


#8 Bob Dylan

Bob Dylan

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 15,869 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Austin Texas
  • Interests:Passenger Trains/Travel/Sports(except Soccer)/Government-Politics/Reading/Old Buildings
    Movies/Music/Unicorns and Ancient Aliens!

Posted 16 February 2017 - 05:59 PM

I'm with the posters (tough crowd!😁)that basically say that the OP has no way of knowing what is going on in the cab.

I've been on airplanes where passengers criticized the pilots like the OP does the engineer, and most of them didn't have a clue what it's like in the cockpit of a jet!

I'm especially impressed by Sarah's post since she probably has more time on the Michigan trains than the crews!😙
"There's Something About a Train! It's Magic!"-- 1970s Amtrak Ad
 
".. I ride on a Mail Train Baby, can't buy a thrill.."--I said that!
 
"..My heart is warm with the friends I make,and better friends I'll not be knowing,
Yet there isn't a train I wouldn't take,No matter where its going!.." -Edna St. Vincent Millay

#9 neroden

neroden

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,034 posts
  • Gender:Not Telling
  • Location:Ithaca, NY
  • Interests:Please feel free to moderate my posts

Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:37 PM

You have a couple of choices.  I would write a letter with dates, times, and exact details, using much better English than you are using here, and send it to CEO Wick Moorman at Amtrak HQ.  He will forward it to the correct department. 


Edited by neroden, 16 February 2017 - 07:37 PM.

--Nathanael--

Please feel free to moderate my posts.

#10 LookingGlassTie

LookingGlassTie

    Lead Service Attendant

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 166 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portsmouth, VA

Posted 16 February 2017 - 07:40 PM

I read on another thread (dealing with the differences between engineers and conductors) how the E's and C's have to be qualified for the route(s) they are operating their trains on.    So I would give the engineer in question the benefit of the doubt on this one.


"And you know that notion just crossed my mind............"


#11 Acela150

Acela150

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,918 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:NS Harrisburg Division

Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:00 PM

You have a couple of choices.  I would write a letter with dates, times, and exact details, using much better English than you are using here, and send it to CEO Wick Moorman at Amtrak HQ.  He will forward it to the correct department. 

 

Really??? Don't tell this person he or she is right.. This person isn't qualified on anything as far as I'm concerned. And neither are you.. 

 

To the OP... Get qualified on the Rule Books and Physical Characteristics that your train was on.. Then offer your two cents. Until then don't be that guy that gets a guy taken out of service cause you're being a Know it all foamer. 


These posts are my views and opinions.

Donate your spare time! Be a Volunteer Firefighter!
 
"Mainline 66W Recrew On Board at Abrams ready to head east when you can handle us, Ok 66W, ok on signal indication at Norris, take it to the Falls to wait for the window"

#12 LookingGlassTie

LookingGlassTie

    Lead Service Attendant

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 166 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Portsmouth, VA

Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:09 PM

To the OP:

 

I'm a fairly new member here, but let me give you some advice.

 

It would have been better for you to ask questions about certain things that you thought the engineer was doing (or not doing), at least based on your physical perspective.   You didn't help your case by automatically accusing the engineer of violating certain rules.  Because you don't really know what's going on up in the cab and what signals and communications the engineer is seeing and listening to (as has been articulated by other posters).


"And you know that notion just crossed my mind............"


#13 B757Guy

B757Guy

    Train Attendant

  • Training
  • Pip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 16 February 2017 - 09:10 PM

I'm with the posters (tough crowd!)that basically say that the OP has no way of knowing what is going on in the cab.

I've been on airplanes where passengers criticized the pilots like the OP does the engineer, and most of them didn't have a clue what it's like in the cockpit of a jet!

I'm especially impressed by Sarah's post since she probably has more time on the Michigan trains than the crews!

 

I once actually had a passenger wait for me at the galley after a flight to tell me that I had failed to set the flaps properly for take-off, and planned to report me to the FAA. I asked him if he was qualified to fly the 757, and he said no, but flew it on his computer. I smiled and walked away... People can be dangerous, when they know just a small amount about something, and yet think they are experts....


I'm an airline pilot with a major US based carrier, and avid lover of trains since the very early days of Amtrak. I fondly recall GG1's zipping along the NEC, and sleeping in a slumbercoach on the Montrealer as a kid. I miss the old heritage cars, the GG1 and the original Budd Metroliners. The new equipment today simply doesn't have the same personality and elegance...


#14 A Voice

A Voice

    Conductor

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 699 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 16 February 2017 - 10:06 PM

There is the old saying that a person may "know just enough to be dangerous".  There's a lot of truth in that expression, and it applies both to this thread, and to B757Guy's example above.  


Edited by A Voice, 16 February 2017 - 10:06 PM.


#15 trainman74

trainman74

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,233 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sherman Oaks, CA

Posted 17 February 2017 - 04:29 PM

I once actually had a passenger wait for me at the galley after a flight to tell me that I had failed to set the flaps properly for take-off, and planned to report me to the FAA. I asked him if he was qualified to fly the 757, and he said no, but flew it on his computer. I smiled and walked away... People can be dangerous, when they know just a small amount about something, and yet think they are experts....


I've heard tell of people complaining to the FAA based on things they heard (or thought they heard) on United's "Channel 9" cockpit radio audio. Those are people who ruin it for the rest of us.

#16 Big Iron

Big Iron

    Conductor

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 978 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Virginia

Posted 17 February 2017 - 08:36 PM

I was wandering through youtube videos and came across the attached which appears to be the grade crossing in question just west of the Hammond station.  

 

 

Fast forward to 1:15 to see the horn usage by the engineer.  Seems to me the engineer used the horn to warn the photographer given his proximity to the track rather than blow for a rail crossing.  Definitely was not the typical long, long, short, long.

 

For what it's worth, I would not classify the video as hilarious.  


Trains Ridden: Broadway Limited (3), Capitol Limited (10), Cardinal (James Whitcomb Riley) (4) , Lake Shore Ltd. (4), Silver Star (5), Night Owl (3), Montrealer (2), Illinois Zephyr (10), Palmetto (2)

#17 SarahZ

SarahZ

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,973 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Interests:Reading, writing, baking, local history, urban exploration, music, dancing, and looking for new adventures

Posted 17 February 2017 - 09:31 PM

Yes, that's the crossing the OP mentioned in his since-deleted post. That's Calumet Ave, near Horseshoe Casino.

 

That video was filmed in May 2012. I'm surprised not one single person has reported the issue to NS. That, or they fixed it and it's broken again.


Amtrak Miles: 39,318

 

Amtrak Routes: Blue Water, California Zephyr, Capitol Limited, Carl Sandburg, City of New Orleans, Coast Starlight, Crescent, Empire Builder, Hiawatha, Illinois Zephyr, Lincoln Service, Southwest Chief, Texas Eagle, Wolverine

 

Metropolitan Rail: Chicago Metra, Chicago L, Dallas TRE, Detroit People Mover, New Orleans RTA, San Francisco MUNI, Seattle Monorail, South Shore Line (NICTD), Toronto Subway & RT, Washington DC Metro


#18 B757Guy

B757Guy

    Train Attendant

  • Training
  • Pip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 17 February 2017 - 09:49 PM

 

I once actually had a passenger wait for me at the galley after a flight to tell me that I had failed to set the flaps properly for take-off, and planned to report me to the FAA. I asked him if he was qualified to fly the 757, and he said no, but flew it on his computer. I smiled and walked away... People can be dangerous, when they know just a small amount about something, and yet think they are experts....


I've heard tell of people complaining to the FAA based on things they heard (or thought they heard) on United's "Channel 9" cockpit radio audio. Those are people who ruin it for the rest of us.

 

Thats why, many times I would not turn it on. Now, many of our aircraft don't even have this option. 


I'm an airline pilot with a major US based carrier, and avid lover of trains since the very early days of Amtrak. I fondly recall GG1's zipping along the NEC, and sleeping in a slumbercoach on the Montrealer as a kid. I miss the old heritage cars, the GG1 and the original Budd Metroliners. The new equipment today simply doesn't have the same personality and elegance...


#19 Steve4031

Steve4031

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,096 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Chicago
  • Interests:Riding Trains Often!!

Posted 17 February 2017 - 10:45 PM

The photographer is definitely an idiot.

If you look to the right of the tracks as the engine approaches you can see the Phil Schmidt restaurant that has gone out of business. Gf and I ate many a meal there. I think I once drove across that crossing. Never noticed the gate failing. But you can bet I was careful because I knew that was a busy railroa.

#20 trainman74

trainman74

    Engineer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,233 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Sherman Oaks, CA

Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:14 PM

Thats why, many times I would not turn it on. Now, many of our aircraft don't even have this option.


I've noticed -- very sad. The captains on my United flights had it turned on more often than not, and I only ever heard controllers and pilots being completely professional (well, maybe not one helicopter pilot who ended up being told to "call this number after you land" by an L.A.-area controller).




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users