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#61 ScouseAndy

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 11:34 AM

Both these figures are very respectful London - Glasgow is 357 miles by train via the west coast main line - an express service averages about 79mph (4 1/2 hrs roughly) but many services average 65mph (5 1/2 hours).

While not true high speed the WCML is one of the most modern lines in the U.K. having had almost $2 Billion invested in modernisation in recent years. The HS2 line (which will run half way only is budgeted £56 billion sterling) and will only shave 20 minutes off the entire journey (if it ever is finished) and is no way value for money!

Sorry to ramble on but in short it's not far off comparable routes in Europe with far less investment and as the UK proves shaving minutes off a journey costs billions and takes light years.

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Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:49 PM

(77 mph is the average speed of an Acela between NYP and WAS)

I figured closer to 68 MPH. 457 miles in 6h45m...

Interestingly with the jetstream moving from West to East, yes, the groundspeeds can vary by a couple hundred mph depending on direction.


The 68 MPH number is WAS-BOS, 77 MPH is WAS-NYP. The northern NEC is curvier and therefore slower. The trains also sometimes stop in NYP for awhile, which further reduces the average speed.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 12:48 PM

Today, on the Newsy channel (on Roku) they ran a 3 minute piece on "Why not High Speed Rail in America?" and compared travel times from several city pairs to what it would take as compared to travel times on existing high speed rail in China, Japan, & Europe.

 

Their video said that the reasons high speed rail would not take off here, like it has in other countries, was due to infrastructure and right of way costs, and, that Americans love their cars too much.

 

https://www.forbes.c...a/#5d0fec9ac080

 

http://www.cnn.com/2...rica/index.html


Edited by Rover, 27 July 2017 - 12:56 PM.

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Posted 27 July 2017 - 03:02 PM

 

 

Their video said that the reasons high speed rail would not take off here, like it has in other countries, was due to infrastructure and right of way costs, and, that Americans love their cars too much.

 

That doesn't explain why people fly between many somewhat-close (i.e. drivable) city pairs.

 

19 non-stop flights per day from Atlanta to Charlotte as an example (Delta and American). A four hour drive.



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Posted 28 July 2017 - 12:04 AM

 

 

 

Their video said that the reasons high speed rail would not take off here, like it has in other countries, was due to infrastructure and right of way costs, and, that Americans love their cars too much.

 

That doesn't explain why people fly between many somewhat-close (i.e. drivable) city pairs.

 

19 non-stop flights per day from Atlanta to Charlotte as an example (Delta and American). A four hour drive.

 

 

Driving in traffic sucks. The 3 1/2 - 4hr drive from Dallas to Austin is Hell. I'm just not a highway road warrior.


Edited by Rover, 28 July 2017 - 06:47 PM.

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 10:49 AM

So True Rover!

I-35 is a Nightmare in Texas, especially from San Antonio to Dallas, so taking the Eagle is an excellent alternative.

#22 AUS-DAL = 5 Hours* /#21 DAL-AUS= 6Hours* ( *the Layover in FTW is around an Hour/ you can ride TRE between FTW and DAL to shorten the Layover)

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Posted 28 July 2017 - 06:49 PM

So True Rover!

I-35 is a Nightmare in Texas, especially from San Antonio to Dallas, so taking the Eagle is an excellent alternative.

#22 AUS-DAL = 5 Hours* /#21 DAL-AUS= 6Hours* ( *the Layover in FTW is around an Hour/ you can ride TRE between FTW and DAL to shorten the Layover)

Leave the Driving to Amtrak!!

 

And that time will be shortened whenever the Texas high speed rail lines are built. Maybe after Texas secedes from the Union... :)


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Posted 29 July 2017 - 09:29 PM

 

 

 

Their video said that the reasons high speed rail would not take off here, like it has in other countries, was due to infrastructure and right of way costs, and, that Americans love their cars too much.

 

That doesn't explain why people fly between many somewhat-close (i.e. drivable) city pairs.

 

19 non-stop flights per day from Atlanta to Charlotte as an example (Delta and American). A four hour drive.

 

 

That's because of the spoke-and-hub model of most airlines, not because there's a huge demand of flights between those two towns organically. Charlotte is a large hub for American, and Atlanta is a large hub for Delta. An Atlanta customer wanting to go to places on American likely will have to go through Charlotte first, and a Charlotte customer on Delta likely has to go through Atlanta. When you're going to have to go through airport security anyways, it doesn't make sense to drive four hours (and paying parking instead of potentially taking a taxi/bus/train to the airport) when the alternative is an hour or so flight and an hour or so layover.






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