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#521 A Voice

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Posted 11 July 2017 - 07:13 PM

 

 

Welp, Donald Trump has now cut the funds for the Gateway Project and many other upgrades for the Northeast Corridor! What is the matter with him?!

 

Source please?  Because the President doesn't have that authority, and his proposed budget was DOA in Congress.  

 

A quick check of the day's news revealed this article ($900 million slated for Gateway, if approved):

 

http://www.northjers...trak/467350001/

 

Here you are.

 

http://www.nydailyne...ticle-1.3298435

 

 

The DOT has withdrawn from the corporation overseeing the Gateway project; That doesn't mean that funding has been eliminated (nor yet approved).  Granted, the Trump administration is not seeking to endorse many agreements and obligations made by his predecessor, and there is no doubt much political horse trading yet to come, but it is simply not true that "Trump has now cut the funds for the Gateway Project"  

 

From:  http://www.amny.com/...ects-1.13780303

 

 

A DOT spokesman elaborated in a statement that the federal agency decided to leave the corporation “as a procedural matter to avoid potential conflicts” and to ensure “there is no appearance of prejudice or partiality in favor of these projects ahead of hundreds of other projects nationwide.” It is not indicative of the federal government’s support of the project, the spokesman said.

“The decision to resign from the Board should not be misinterpreted as any form of decision about the multiple individual projects promoted by the Gateway Development Corporation,” the DOT spokesman said.



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Posted 16 July 2017 - 10:39 PM

The DOT has withdrawn from the corporation overseeing the Gateway project; That doesn't mean that funding has been eliminated (nor yet approved).  Granted, the Trump administration is not seeking to endorse many agreements and obligations made by his predecessor, and there is no doubt much political horse trading yet to come, but it is simply not true that "Trump has now cut the funds for the Gateway Project" 

 

Yes, Much.

 

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Posted 17 July 2017 - 11:41 AM

For a short time in the 1990s, the Federal Government allocated transit agencies to do a lease-lease back financial arrangement to lease their long term new equipment (passenger cars) to there organizations who paid BIG money to utilize the depreciation tax write-off. The Feds stopped it because they started loosing too much tax revenue. 

A new version of this lease-lease back law could be enacted to help finance around 50-65 percent of new passenger cars and still not have the Feds "loose too much tax revenue". Amtrak could then use other financing to pay for the remaining costs. Bridges also have a long enough lifespan and a large enough cost for a lease-lease back depreciation write-off.

This type of financial arrangement would probably be received well by the current administration because it would get private capital funds to pay for new infrastructure.

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Posted 18 July 2017 - 06:26 PM

For a short time in the 1990s, the Federal Government allocated transit agencies to do a lease-lease back financial arrangement to lease their long term new equipment (passenger cars) to there organizations who paid BIG money to utilize the depreciation tax write-off. The Feds stopped it because they started loosing too much tax revenue. 

A new version of this lease-lease back law could be enacted to help finance around 50-65 percent of new passenger cars and still not have the Feds "loose too much tax revenue". Amtrak could then use other financing to pay for the remaining costs. Bridges also have a long enough lifespan and a large enough cost for a lease-lease back depreciation write-off.

This type of financial arrangement would probably be received well by the current administration because it would get private capital funds to pay for new infrastructure.

 

Like this??

 

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 12:30 PM

End of the Empire? Amtrak's 15 long-distance rail lines face elimination

 

http://lacrossetribu...b8bd280a8a.html

 

President Donald Trump’s proposed 2018 budget would reduce Amtrak’s funding from $1.5 billion to $760 million, part of a larger package of cuts that trims $2.4 billion from federal transportation in all. That would end all of Amtrak’s long-distance routes — 15 of them — including the Empire Builder, which stretches 2,200 miles from Chicago to Seattle with Wisconsin stops in Milwaukee, Columbus, Portage, Wisconsin Dells, Tomah and La Crosse.

 

 

 

 

It's a long article, so go and read it for yourself...

 

Moderator Note:  edited to reduce content of quote to comply with copyright rules.


Edited by pennyk, 06 August 2017 - 12:50 PM.
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Posted 06 August 2017 - 01:36 PM

End of the Empire? Amtrak's 15 long-distance rail lines face elimination

 

http://lacrossetribu...b8bd280a8a.html

 

President Donald Trump’s proposed 2018 budget would reduce Amtrak’s funding from $1.5 billion to $760 million, part of a larger package of cuts that trims $2.4 billion from federal transportation in all. That would end all of Amtrak’s long-distance routes — 15 of them — including the Empire Builder, which stretches 2,200 miles from Chicago to Seattle with Wisconsin stops in Milwaukee, Columbus, Portage, Wisconsin Dells, Tomah and La Crosse.

 

 

 

 

It's a long article, so go and read it for yourself...

 

Moderator Note:  edited to reduce content of quote to comply with copyright rules.

Re-hash (to make local) of not-so-recent news. 


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 01:43 PM

Like this??
 
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An interesting possible direction for Amtrak's café cars.
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Posted 06 August 2017 - 02:01 PM

 

Like this??
 
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An interesting possible direction for Amtrak's café cars.

 

As long as the "wrap" doesn't cover the windows and obscure the view!

Actually, this (second) round of save Amtrak long distance has been going on for what, two months now? Mid-June saw the "Rally for Trains.

We've been seeing many articles which are localized (which is fine) versions of the main story from a couple months ago. Drive the story home to rally the population! 


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 02:46 PM

End of the Empire? Amtrak's 15 long-distance rail lines face elimination
 
http://lacrossetribu...b8bd280a8a.html
 

President Donald Trump’s proposed 2018 budget would reduce Amtrak’s funding from $1.5 billion to $760 million, part of a larger package of cuts that trims $2.4 billion from federal transportation in all. That would end all of Amtrak’s long-distance routes — 15 of them — including the Empire Builder, which stretches 2,200 miles from Chicago to Seattle with Wisconsin stops in Milwaukee, Columbus, Portage, Wisconsin Dells, Tomah and La Crosse.
 

 

 
 
It's a long article, so go and read it for yourself...
 
Moderator Note:  edited to reduce content of quote to comply with copyright rules.
Re-hash (to make local) of not-so-recent news. 
Yup old story being rehashed and getting stale specially now that both House and Senate appropriations folks have spoken.

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 05:24 PM

End of the Empire? Amtrak's 15 long-distance rail lines face elimination
 
http://lacrossetribu...b8bd280a8a.html
 

President Donald Trump’s proposed 2018 budget would reduce Amtrak’s funding from $1.5 billion to $760 million, part of a larger package of cuts that trims $2.4 billion from federal transportation in all. That would end all of Amtrak’s long-distance routes — 15 of them — including the Empire Builder, which stretches 2,200 miles from Chicago to Seattle with Wisconsin stops in Milwaukee, Columbus, Portage, Wisconsin Dells, Tomah and La Crosse.
 

 

 
 
It's a long article, so go and read it for yourself...
 
Moderator Note:  edited to reduce content of quote to comply with copyright rules.
Re-hash (to make local) of not-so-recent news. 
Yup old story being rehashed and getting stale specially now that both House and Senate appropriations folks have spoken.
I agree; it is extremely unlikely the Empire Builder will be discontinued. However, it's still good for the story to spread so more supporters can be gained.
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Posted 07 August 2017 - 07:30 AM

How is spreading overblown debunked stories different than fear mongering?
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Posted 07 August 2017 - 09:53 AM

The consequences of endlessly crying wolf comes to mind.... People just tune out after a while and become desensitized, and come next time they just have a tendency to say "Meh". Be careful not to lose the trust of those that you need. Very important to be factually accurate to maintain trust.



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Posted 07 August 2017 - 10:29 AM

Precisely. We’ve already seen a fair bit of that this time around.
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Posted 07 September 2017 - 11:17 PM

I was relieved to see Amtrak was taken off the chopping block.  I have written my senator, and said I was worried that long distance trains could be taken away.  In my letter, I said we need a balanced transit system.  A few weeks ago, I also wrote a letter to President Trump asking him to reconsider gutting Amtrak.  I haven't heard back, but I'm assuming with thousands of people calling, writing, or Emailing, that maybe the message may have gotten through.  

 

 

 

 

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Posted 08 September 2017 - 01:39 AM

Well, this is a replay of something that has been happening more years than not since Amtrak started in 1971.  I don't want to sound dismissive, and I, too, have made letters and calls.  But Amtrak long distance service has been a target since I can remember.  Bush zeroed out the budget, too, for instance.  But I was far from panicked about it, and the result was actually better than I thought, so far not even major cutbacks.

 

The dance continues as it has for decades.  Amtrak gets enough to survive, but never enough to thrive.

 

Silver lining:  John Mica (R-FL) is gone!


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Posted 08 September 2017 - 06:55 AM

I don't think any message got through to anyone. The truth is, at this moment, real problems are publically obvious, such as Harvey, Irma, and FEMA running out of funds. This they have real fights to distract the public from the hidden underlying ones like our collapsing infrastructure and unsustainably low taxes.

When those go back to being the issues of concern, the old punching bags will be dragged out again, and the teapot tempest machine will be switched on once again.
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Posted 08 September 2017 - 05:50 PM

At least the diners don't have Mica around to punch them anymore.  :P


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Posted 09 September 2017 - 02:03 AM

In the last few days, a specific, grandstanding attempt to kill all Amtrak funding in the House was defeated 293-128.  Attempts to remove Gateway funding were defeated 260-159.  Essentially unanimous Democratic support for Amtrak and about 1/3 of the Republicans, with additional Republican support if it didn't mean supporting the Northeast Corridor.  :sigh:

This is actually better than in previous decades when the votes were tighter.


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