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#21 Ryan

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 10:44 AM

The solution is simple - put red light cameras at grade crossings.

Institute a $1,000 fine for personal vehicles, $50,000 fine to commercial vehicles.

The cameras will pay for themselves, then pay for quad gates or whatever the best solution is, then can get moved to the next intersection.
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Posted 20 February 2016 - 11:02 AM

The solution is simple - put red light cameras at grade crossings.

Institute a $1,000 fine for personal vehicles, $50,000 fine to commercial vehicles.

The cameras will pay for themselves, then pay for quad gates or whatever the best solution is, then can get moved to the next intersection.

 

I was thinking the cameras and their monitoring would be more expense than the gate.


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Posted 20 February 2016 - 11:11 AM

It is time to start equipping the grade crossings with four quadrant gates. I think it would help.

Or maybe the railroad should maintain there gates so they only go down when there a train coming. Add some railroad training and paint the crosstie so the crews know where the grade crossing sensor are so they don't fowl the crossing.

Four quadrants gates can fail, when they do two of arms fail down, two of the arms fail up. So five trucks still could get around them in a failure mode.

One thinks with modern technology a failed gate, or a fowled gate could report itself to the dispatcher.
Most of the crossings have detection systems that can track the speed and distance of the train and estimate when it will cross the road, and trigger the sequence when deemed appropriate. When a train stops after activation, the gate stays down until the circuitry realizes that the crossing is not blocked, then it will deactivate.

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 12:01 PM

 

The solution is simple - put red light cameras at grade crossings.

Institute a $1,000 fine for personal vehicles, $50,000 fine to commercial vehicles.

The cameras will pay for themselves, then pay for quad gates or whatever the best solution is, then can get moved to the next intersection.

 

I was thinking the cameras and their monitoring would be more expense than the gate.

 

 

According to the link below, the cost is under $80,000, which unfortunately - given the number of violations - would soon pay for itself.  The idea makes good sense (so we know it'll never happen).  

 

Wonder if there is a practical way to let the railroads do the installation, and reimburse them out of the ticket revenues?  

 

http://www.itscosts....ment&Query=CApp


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Posted 20 February 2016 - 12:44 PM

The solution is simple - put red light cameras at grade crossings.

Institute a $1,000 fine for personal vehicles, $50,000 fine to commercial vehicles.

The cameras will pay for themselves, then pay for quad gates or whatever the best solution is, then can get moved to the next intersection.

And something along the lines of a 3 year license suspension for drivers of Class 6, 7, and 8 trucks.  


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Posted 20 February 2016 - 01:01 PM

The solution is simple - put red light cameras at grade crossings.

Institute a $1,000 fine for personal vehicles, $50,000 fine to commercial vehicles.

The cameras will pay for themselves, then pay for quad gates or whatever the best solution is, then can get moved to the next intersection.

 
I was thinking the cameras and their monitoring would be more expense than the gate.

 
According to the link below, the cost is under $80,000, which unfortunately - given the number of violations - would soon pay for itself.

At locations like this with a very high rate of violations, yes.
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Posted 20 February 2016 - 01:28 PM

Wonder if there is a practical way to let the railroads do the installation, and reimburse them out of the ticket revenues?


That's a pretty good way of going about it. (so as you said, it'll never happen)
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Posted 20 February 2016 - 02:59 PM

Hmmmmmm. Yes. There's a way to do it. Pass a local law providing a cash payment to any person or organization which provides documented, date-stamped video evidence of an illegal raiload crossing by a motor vehicle, sufficient to lead to a conviction. Then ask the railroad politely to set up a camera to track cars & trucks going around the gate, explaining that they will be paid the prize for providing evidence. I think the railroad would be quite interested.
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Posted 20 February 2016 - 04:54 PM

Like the red lite camera bit. However what to do when gates are down, by failure, or by equipment fowling the signals. Railroads I am told are not permitted to block a grade level crossing for more than 30mins. How long do people sit there waiting for a railroad maintainer to show up?

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 06:02 PM

Like the red lite camera bit. However what to do when gates are down, by failure, or by equipment fowling the signals. Railroads I am told are not permitted to block a grade level crossing for more than 30mins. How long do people sit there waiting for a railroad maintainer to show up?

The time limits vary from state to state and most states exempt failure from the limits anyway. It's illegal to go around the gates when they are active, no matter the situation. The only time it's not is when there is a flager directing traffic.

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Posted 20 February 2016 - 07:13 PM

I like your idea Ryan. There is one place I've been I've watched school buses that were loaded go in front of trains. On a regular basis.
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Posted 21 February 2016 - 12:32 PM

Like the red lite camera bit. However what to do when gates are down, by failure, or by equipment fowling the signals. Railroads I am told are not permitted to block a grade level crossing for more than 30mins. How long do people sit there waiting for a railroad maintainer to show up?

 

There is something to be said for the impatience of drivers. How long indeed? I know some towns fine the railroads for improper gate activation and bill them if police support is needed.


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Posted 21 February 2016 - 08:47 PM

How fast do you think the police will respond to a report of gates down, but no train.

How busy is the workload on a 911dispatcher.

Railroads did have some problems in the past get the information to right dispatcher, and then communicated to the right trains.

What is the response time of railroads maintain personal?

Are the police even trained in what to do, and what should be done.

I like bridges, not perfect but you must be truly talented to get hit by a train from a bridge.

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Posted 21 February 2016 - 09:32 PM

I like your idea Ryan. There is one place I've been I've watched school buses that were loaded go in front of trains. On a regular basis.

Good god.  What is wrong with your state?   I've never seen school buses do this in NY or California.


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Posted 21 February 2016 - 11:17 PM

I like your idea Ryan. There is one place I've been I've watched school buses that were loaded go in front of trains. On a regular basis.

Good god.  What is wrong with your state?   I've never seen school buses do this in NY or California.
I live in South Carolina. So anything is possible. That town was Clinton by the way. It probably still happens. I've never understood why a town with twenty plus trains a day doesn't have gates for two crossings of four lane roads.
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Posted 22 February 2016 - 06:47 AM

 

 

I like your idea Ryan. There is one place I've been I've watched school buses that were loaded go in front of trains. On a regular basis.

Good god.  What is wrong with your state?   I've never seen school buses do this in NY or California.
I live in South Carolina. So anything is possible. That town was Clinton by the way. It probably still happens. I've never understood why a town with twenty plus trains a day doesn't have gates for two crossings of four lane roads.

 

We have at least one 4-lane highway with an at-grade crossing.  I'm not sure if there are gates (never paid attention the few times I drive there), but do know they have stop lights in addition to the RR crossing lights.

 

Here's a recent close call in TX.

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=37052898


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Posted 22 February 2016 - 11:16 AM

66 May get scrapped. Lots of internal damage, and the truck driver had no insurance.

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Posted 22 February 2016 - 06:49 PM

Do you seriously believe that the truck driver's insurance has anything to do with deciding whether a locomotive will be scrapped or not?

 

It will get towed to Beech Grove. Legal and insurance issues will get addressed and based on various factors a decision will be made. Let us not jump the guns here. None of us have any expertise or concrete information about how repairable the damage is or not. So let's chill for a while.



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Posted 22 February 2016 - 07:42 PM

In the case of actual collisions, footage from the onboard forward-facing video camera that is present on most modern mainline locomotives can and should be used.

 

In the case of a near miss, this footage should also be used when it can be presented with corroboration or when the video shows something distinctive like a vehicle identification number, license plate, distinctive paint scheme, identifiable person, etc. If onboard footage doesn't exist, we have nothing to fall back on except eyewitness accounts.

 

Unfortunately, onboard footage only comes into play when there is an actual accident. I believe it should be used in the case of near misses, and I believe security cameras can be installed at a number of locations to be used in charging drivers, whether onboard cameras exist or not.

 

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Posted 24 February 2016 - 06:55 PM

I found this video which is a recording taken Sunday from a web cam in Rochelle, Illinois of a westbound Union Pacific freight train.  The fourth engine is AMTK 66.  Anyone know where it went?

 






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