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Posted 08 February 2016 - 07:37 AM

I think IND-Louisville should be red and I'm not sure what route the CHI to Nashville would take (looks like far eastern Illinois and western Kentucky, what stops would it make?)

 

I believe Nashville to ATL has been discussed on this group but most of the response was it would not work.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 08:24 AM

I think IND-Louisville should be red and I'm not sure what route the CHI to Nashville would take (looks like far eastern Illinois and western Kentucky, what stops would it make?)

 

 

I believe that would be the former L&N.

 

Terre Haute IN, Evansville IN, and Clarksville TN would be the largest population centers between Chicago and Nashville.

 

I'd suggest looking into getting some rail atlases - I like the ones put out by Steam Powered Videos out of the UK (see here) - it would really help you figure out what lines exist (or did as of the printing) and where they run.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 09:25 AM

Also get a copy of the Official Railway Guide from one of the years in the '60s. It will help you with what is or is not realistic given the infrastructure that was in place back then, duly modulated with information from the rail atlases mentioned above to account for infrastructure lost since then.

 

I find the 1965 summer edition that I have very useful. More recently I have acquired a set of DVD's containing all Official Railway Guides ever published, which is kind of fascinating for killing time, if not anything else.



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Posted 08 February 2016 - 09:07 PM

Really.  Jis, where can I get those DVDs... and how far back do they go? 

 

The first Official Guide was published in 1868, and it was *MONTHLY*.  Even though that's a good 38 years after US railway development started, I'd still find the very early ones fascinating.


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Posted 08 February 2016 - 09:48 PM

Indeed, I have been using my Autumn 1963 Official Guide to the Railways that I got for 2 bucks at the Illinois Railway Museum! It's just before all the trains went away, so I can still see what was running. I've only had to look up the schedules Cincinnati OH - Louisville KY - St. Louis MO because L&N discontinued that in 1958.

 

Also, the Chicago IL - Evansville IN - Nashville TN route doesn't go through Clarksville TN, though it's close. Hopkinsville KY, a good candidate for a stop, would be 24 miles from Clarksville TN, and small-town Guthrie KY is 13 miles from Clarksville TN.

 

Note that on the map, there probably isn't a direct St. Louis MO - Louisville KY - Cincinnati OH train to connect with the Cardinal. There would, of course as discussed above, a St. Louis MO - Effingham IL - Terre Haute IN - Indianapolis IN train to connect from the Texas Eagle to the Cardinal, avoiding Chicago and serving new cities.


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 01:44 AM

I made Indianapolis IN - Louisville KY red, as well as some minor rerouting north of Terre Haute IN because of an error I made, and west of Jacksonville FL for more detail (kind of unrelated).

 

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Note that the red route south of Nashville goes through rural corners of Alabama and Georgia to reach Chattanooga TN, then turns back south through Georgia to connect with the Crescent at Atlanta GA. I am quite busy at the moment, so I will try to make schedules for these routes later (which might not be until Friday).


Edited by maxbuskirk, 09 February 2016 - 01:52 AM.

I have ridden Cascades #516 (SEA-STW), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-SLO), Southwest Chief #4 (LAX-CHI), Cardinal #50 (CHI-NYP), Northeast Regional #85 (NYP-WAS), Capitol Limited #30 (HFY-WAS), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-PDX), and many Pacific Surfliners with Amtrak. I have seen, including the previous, California Zephyr #5 at SAC (with luck), what I guess to be Crescent #19 (at WAS) and Silver Meteor #97 (at WAS), and Empire Builder #28 at PDX. I have also ridden the Hokutosei in Japan, Ueno - Sapporo (now discontinued).


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 01:56 AM

And how would Nashville TN - Chattanooga TN - Atlanta GA not work? Rickety track? I guess I will come up with schedules later. 


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 05:24 AM

And how would Nashville TN - Chattanooga TN - Atlanta GA not work? Rickety track? I guess I will come up with schedules later. 

 

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 05:58 AM

Also, the Chicago IL - Evansville IN - Nashville TN route doesn't go through Clarksville TN, though it's close. Hopkinsville KY, a good candidate for a stop, would be 24 miles from Clarksville TN, and small-town Guthrie KY is 13 miles from Clarksville TN.

 

 

Ugh. Thanks for the correction. That's what I get for not consulting the rail atlas that I referenced before making that comment.



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Posted 09 February 2016 - 07:45 AM

Really.  Jis, where can I get those DVDs... and how far back do they go? 
 
The first Official Guide was published in 1868, and it was *MONTHLY*.  Even though that's a good 38 years after US railway development started, I'd still find the very early ones fascinating.

You can order it through amazon.com. It is actually produced and sold by Taplines. Don Hensley is the person who does it. He is out of Bartow FL, and is a very nice guy.
 
As far as I can tell the set contains virtually everything from 1868 to 1969. Before 1868 there were no Official Guides. What is included is the 1848 Appleton's Railway Guide and the 1851 American Railway Guide.
 
Here is a direct link to the page for the whole set. You can also order each of the three DVDs in the set individually.
 
Official Guide Railway Collection 1848 - 1969
 
I actually overstated on the "every one ever published, since the Official Guide was published for several years after 1969. I have a 1971 paper copy. Incidentally I also have a paper copy facsimile of the 1868 first issue.



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Posted 10 February 2016 - 01:28 AM

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I have made Nashville TN - Chattanooga TN - Atlanta GA pink. Sorry Chattanooga.

 

Oh, and mind the time change, which helps me (going westbound), and hurts me (going eastbound). In fact, these schedules depend on the westbound time change to provide well-timed service to their destinations, yet still connect to the Texas Eagle. Louisville is a still a bit tight though.

 

Schedules St. Louis MO - Louisville KY, and we don't really need through cars. People are capable of transferring trains on their own. Took 10 hours for L&N to do this in 1958. Say 13 hours now (I know, it's a bit much, but that track is probably OLD as hell and very rickety too).

Texas Eagle Arrive St. Louis MO 7:19A/Depart 7:55A

St. Louis MO 8:15A (sadistic to assume trains are late, though it's true)

Centralia IL 10:30A (meh)

Crew Change

Louisville KY 10:30P

Louisville KY 7:00A

Crew Change

Centralia IL 5:00P (extremely tight transfer to the northbound Saluki, probably delay it a bit to 5:30P or so)

St. Louis MO 7:15P

Texas Eagle Arrive St. Louis MO 7:21P/Depart 8:00P  :)

Amtrak took 2 hours to do Centralia IL to St. Louis, as did Southern 2.5 hours from Mt. Vernon IL to St. Louis MO, so I added that in as-is, with a bit of delay. Connecting to the Cardinal on this route is hopeless with these schedules.

 

Schedules St. Louis MO - Indianapolis IN

Next, Amtrak took 5 - 5.5 hours to do STL - IND in 1979. Say 7 hours today.

Texas Eagle Arrive St. Louis MO 7:19A/Depart 7:55A

St. Louis MO 8:30A

Effingham IL 11:15A (great for going to Carbondale)

Terre Haute IN 2:35P

Indianapolis IN 4:30P

Cardinal Arrive Indianapolis IN 5:50P/Depart 5:59P

Cardinal Arrive Indianapolis IN 11:20A/12:00N

Indianapolis IN 1:00P

Terre Haute IN 2:55P

Effingham IL 4:15P

St. Louis MO 7:00P

Texas Eagle Arrive St. Louis MO 7:21P/Depart 8:00P  :)

 

That's it for this post. Thanks for reading.


Edited by maxbuskirk, 10 February 2016 - 01:31 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2016 - 03:27 AM

 

Really.  Jis, where can I get those DVDs... and how far back do they go? 
 
The first Official Guide was published in 1868, and it was *MONTHLY*.  Even though that's a good 38 years after US railway development started, I'd still find the very early ones fascinating.

You can order it through amazon.com. It is actually produced and sold by Taplines. Don Hensley is the person who does it. He is out of Bartow FL, and is a very nice guy.
 
As far as I can tell the set contains virtually everything from 1868 to 1969. Before 1868 there were no Official Guides. What is included is the 1848 Appleton's Railway Guide and the 1851 American Railway Guide.
 
Here is a direct link to the page for the whole set. You can also order each of the three DVDs in the set individually.
 
Official Guide Railway Collection 1848 - 1969
 
I actually overstated on the "every one ever published, since the Official Guide was published for several years after 1969. I have a 1971 paper copy. Incidentally I also have a paper copy facsimile of the 1868 first issue.

 

OK, I see he didn't actually get anywhere *near* every one ever published.  It's a good cross-section but it advertises that it only has one every few years, a total of 42 and there's a *big* gap from 1910 to 1930.  As I say the Official Guide was originally updated monthly (!!!!). 

 

I guess these are the ones he was able to get copies of -- it would be a pretty long shot to find copies of every issue of a monthly publication for 100 years, and it would probably be a lot of DVDs!


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Posted 10 February 2016 - 02:38 PM

But seeing it takes 4 hours to drive STL to LVL and 4 hours STL to IND, these trains aren't competitive at all. Might as well cancel STL to LVL.

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 12:46 AM

This has become a Cardinal extension and dream fantasy land thread, rather than an Ohio State Limited thread. I'm sorry for interrupting Philly. Perhaps I'll start a new Cardinal extension thread.

I'm getting too enthusiastic about unrealistic stuff.  Realistically, if we're quite lucky, we'll get a changed Cardinal schedule, an Indianapolis IN - St Louis MO connection, and MAYBE a Kentucky Cardinal resurrection to Louisville, and then if we're REALLY lucky, then to Nashville, but after that is completely dream-land to me. Sorry to be pessimistic, but that's the feeling I get from the state of Amtrak now and the forum and the smart people on here. Like you and the Atlanta schedule guy on the other thread and such.

 

Only if Amtrak gets really much more support and money and equipment, then there might be consideration of a start of a web of trains in Kentucky and surrounding cities (like St. Louis, Nashville, Atlanta etc). Then we can more realistically dream of Floridians and Tennesseans (Washington - Roanoke - Knoxville - Chattanooga - Memphis, crazy right?) and National Limited connections with the SWC and more.

 

If I'm too pessimistic, please tell me.


Edited by maxbuskirk, 11 February 2016 - 01:02 AM.

I have ridden Cascades #516 (SEA-STW), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-SLO), Southwest Chief #4 (LAX-CHI), Cardinal #50 (CHI-NYP), Northeast Regional #85 (NYP-WAS), Capitol Limited #30 (HFY-WAS), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-PDX), and many Pacific Surfliners with Amtrak. I have seen, including the previous, California Zephyr #5 at SAC (with luck), what I guess to be Crescent #19 (at WAS) and Silver Meteor #97 (at WAS), and Empire Builder #28 at PDX. I have also ridden the Hokutosei in Japan, Ueno - Sapporo (now discontinued).


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Posted 12 February 2016 - 06:19 AM

This has become a Cardinal extension and dream fantasy land thread, rather than an Ohio State Limited thread. I'm sorry for interrupting Philly. Perhaps I'll start a new Cardinal extension thread.

I'm getting too enthusiastic about unrealistic stuff.  Realistically, if we're quite lucky, we'll get a changed Cardinal schedule, an Indianapolis IN - St Louis MO connection, and MAYBE a Kentucky Cardinal resurrection to Louisville, and then if we're REALLY lucky, then to Nashville, but after that is completely dream-land to me. Sorry to be pessimistic, but that's the feeling I get from the state of Amtrak now and the forum and the smart people on here. Like you and the Atlanta schedule guy on the other thread and such.

 

Only if Amtrak gets really much more support and money and equipment, then there might be consideration of a start of a web of trains in Kentucky and surrounding cities (like St. Louis, Nashville, Atlanta etc). Then we can more realistically dream of Floridians and Tennesseans (Washington - Roanoke - Knoxville - Chattanooga - Memphis, crazy right?) and National Limited connections with the SWC and more.

 

If I'm too pessimistic, please tell me.

 

Considering what Amtrak has done to LD service between my first Broadway Limited trip and today, you're not too pessimistic, you're realistic. 

 

We are all waiting patiently for the Viewliner II's and things should in theory change. In my opinion, the BL/TR should be the first LD train that should be added (if they run via TOL/CLE then there are no new tracks that need to be run although if they can negotiate a Michigan/Toledo connection they can run the train from CHI to the Detroit area and then to Toledo). As much as everyone wants a daily Cardinal, Buckingham Branch still has to be fixed even if the Viewliner II's begin running.

 

Then again speaking of Buckingham Branch, Amtrak's timetable lists Buckingham Branch from Culpeper to Clifton Forge.

 

Current Culpepper to Clifton Forge times:

51: 12:30-4:18pm

50: 12:44-4:35pm

 

So these trains are traveling Buckingham Branch at around the same time. 

 

My proposed time switches:

51: 6:30-10:18pm

50: 6:44-10:35am

 

The trains are then spaced out.

 

If Buckingham Branch didn't have to worry about two Amtrak trains running around the same time on its tracks could Amtrak then be permitted to run the Cardinal daily? The irony is that if I'm reading the schedule correct both Cardinal trains serve the Buckingham Branch route on the same days (WeFrSun). You would think they would rather break them up so instead of having two trains on the same route at the same time on the same three days, you could have just one train six days a week.

 

To me, if you are going to expand Cardinal service you have to reschedule it to serve Cincinnati at better times. Otherwise, you have a train arriving/departing seven days a week during the graveyard shift instead of three days a week. Having the train leave CIN before midnight and arrive in CIN early in the morning screws Indy. Other than the endpoints which have other trains available for CHI-NEC travel, Indy and Cincinnati are the biggest unique markets along the Amtrak route (counting total population and not ridership). Shouldn't they be the priority of the Cardinal then? Sure, making a train daily in Cincinnati during the graveyard shift may very well double the current ridership. Why not put the times at regular hours and maybe Cincinnati ridership triples then? And then the times for the proposed Oxford stop would be outside the graveyard shift as well.


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Posted 12 February 2016 - 05:53 PM

Wow. Never noticed that the 2 trains, run at the same time of day, on the same days on the Buckingham Branch. Almost seems like everyone was trying to hide it, or just didn't realize that was happening.

 

I think it's a great idea, as already discussed, to reschedule the Cardinal. The one you provide (as did Amtrak and C&O forever) is the best. Basically, we're making the Cardinal revert to the older schedule. Do you know the reason why Amtrak changed the Cardinal schedule to what it is today? Yes, the New River Gorge, but they basically gave up on good service to Cincinnati and Indianapolis, and to New York a bit (6:45am/9:56pm isn't that great). Was it conflict with the host railroads, or something else?

 

It was only changed randomly in the April 29, 1984 timetable, with Cardinal departing New York City at 6:30am instead of 4:30pm, bringing night-time service to Indianapolis and Cincinnati.

 

The rescheduling, as you said, would separate Cardinal times on the Buckingham, and bring daylight service to major cities on the route. Only Huntington and Charleston get thrown into the middle of the night. Even then, it's possible to reschedule it so that Huntington & Charleston get barely waking-hour service (like 7:00am going westbound and 11:00pm going eastbound), as I think I mentioned in one of my earlier Cardinal schedules. This would only make the Indianapolis to St. Louis connection a bit tighter. So if the St. Louis connection is gonna operate, it's best to leave Huntington & Charleston in the middle of the night :).

 

It is funny that everyone says Buckingham Branch is old and worn out, etc, but they never think of rescheduling the train.


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Posted 13 February 2016 - 08:14 AM

Historically, the Cardinal was backed by a Senator from West Virginia, which accounts for the schedule.

He's dead. It's time to change the Cardinal schedule to something which is better for everything east of WV and west of WV.
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Posted 14 February 2016 - 01:54 AM

I'm happy that the Cardinal schedule changing doesn't seem that big of a deal (in terms of money, political support, yada yada yada)

 

Are there enough Superliners and/or Amfleets to do a Washington - Huntington - Washington day trip? It would need 2 train-sets to do it, and an overnight storage spot in Huntington WV. It would only need a few coaches, and a cafe car.

 

951 "Kanawha" or "Mountain State"?

WAS 920A  (current Cardinal schedule, subtract 1 hour 40 mins)

CLP 1045A

CLF 238P

HUN 804P

 

950 "Kanawha" or "Mountain State"?

HUN 926A  (current Cardinal schedule, add 2 hours 10 minutes)

CLF 254P

CLP 645P

WAS 829P

 

This would be extremely tight for the Buckingham Branch, with 4 trains running on it a day. (oh my gosh, 4 trains a day?!?! That's, like, a whole bunch!!!  :P) How many freight trains does this railroad carry every day?

But still, if we take another look, even with this new train, all the trains are running on it at different times of day, assuming the Cardinal is rescheduled. And these trains really need to be on-time for this to work, otherwise one of these will be delayed for hours, and that will absolutely crazy.

 

First train of the day, Cardinal #50

Clifton Forge VA 644A

Culpeper VA 1035A

 

Second train of the day, my new train #951

Culpeper VA 1045A

Clifton Forge VA 238P

 

Third train of the day, my new train #950

Clifton Forge VA 254P

Culpeper VA 645P

 

Fourth train of the day, Cardinal #51

Culpeper VA 710P

Clifton Forge VA 1058P

 

But they seriously need to add more sidings for this to work. These trains might literally hog up the whole railroad without adequate sidings. At least that's what I've heard.

Oh, and this is probably as far as my realistic dreaming will go. 


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Posted 14 February 2016 - 03:42 PM

I generally stay out of the fantasies of others since, in a fantasy world, all things are possible. 

 

However, i just want to remind everyone that the timetables are set up around traffic, equipment turns and personnel availability. 

 

When determining whether your ideals are truly feasible, do not forget to calculate these items into your equations. An example is the Cardinal has a same day turn in CHI to preserve equipment. If that turn isn't preserved, you'll need additional equipment.

 

Carry on!


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Posted 14 February 2016 - 05:31 PM

See? I'm an amateur schedule-creator.

 

On this schedule

130P NYP

545P WAS

826A CIN

450P CHI

 

1145A CHI

927P CIN

1219P WAS

358P NYP

 

4 trains-sets required for daily service. If truncated to WAS and Amtrak can clean the train in 5.5 hours, then only 3 trains-sets required.

3 trains-sets for 3 days a week service, and 2 train-sets if truncated in WAS and cleaned in 5.5 hours.

 

On this schedule

(400A NYP)

815A WAS

1041P CIN

720A CHI

 

945P CHI

727A CIN

1019P WAS

(158A NYP)

 

4 train-sets required for daily service from CHI to NYP, the whole route, unless Amtrak can clean the train in 2 hours (unlikely, it also can be late). 3 train-sets for 3 days a week service CHI-NYP.

3 train-sets required for daily service if the train operates CHI-WAS, with a connection train up to NYP. 2 train-sets for 3 days a week service CHI-WAS.


I have ridden Cascades #516 (SEA-STW), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-SLO), Southwest Chief #4 (LAX-CHI), Cardinal #50 (CHI-NYP), Northeast Regional #85 (NYP-WAS), Capitol Limited #30 (HFY-WAS), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-PDX), and many Pacific Surfliners with Amtrak. I have seen, including the previous, California Zephyr #5 at SAC (with luck), what I guess to be Crescent #19 (at WAS) and Silver Meteor #97 (at WAS), and Empire Builder #28 at PDX. I have also ridden the Hokutosei in Japan, Ueno - Sapporo (now discontinued).





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