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#21 CCC1007

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 10:10 AM

Potentially for the same reason that the P40's had that originally, a hostler control stand?

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 10:22 AM

Potentially for the same reason that the P40's had that originally, a hostler control stand?

I see. And what did they do on the P40's to remove the rear window?



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Posted 16 May 2016 - 10:27 AM

Just removed the controls and plated over the window frame.

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Posted 16 May 2016 - 10:40 AM

Looks like the official order is now 40.

 

http://www.metrolink...2016_AprMay.pdf

Interesting. I can't find this new number anywhere else. But I suppose Metrolink must know what they have ordered! Good find! I wonder where they found the money for the other 20.

 

Ah OK. The actual number of engines ordered so far is 20+9 = 29. They eventually want to order the remaining 11 to make up 40, but so far do not have the funds to do so. They have3 recently gotten another grant that will allow them to order another 4 or so, and another future grant is in the offing that will enable them to order the balance 7 to make up 40, but these orders are yet to be placed and finalized.

 

See: http://www.railway-t...omotive-4791592

 

Interestingly, the monococque car body of these locomotives comes from Vossloh, and is European technology.


Edited by jis, 16 May 2016 - 10:55 AM.


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Posted 09 June 2016 - 08:23 PM

First Metrolink unit out of Muncie as of 6/8. 


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Posted 16 June 2016 - 04:49 PM

Lots of pictures: http://www.metrolink...r_4_Locomotives

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Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:25 PM

Apparently just arrived per their Facebook page...

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Posted 17 June 2016 - 01:28 PM

Located a video of the F125's arrival-

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=h7Hr1yjLSw4



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Posted 19 June 2016 - 06:52 PM

If the rear windows are for hostler controls, what exactly IS hostler controls? Is it the control stand at the rear of the loco?



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Posted 19 June 2016 - 07:32 PM

If the rear windows are for hostler controls, what exactly IS hostler controls? Is it the control stand at the rear of the loco?

yep, and the maximum speed was limited to 15 mph on the p40 locomotives while that control stand was in use.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 11:36 AM

Cody, why would they need a hostler control stand if they already have a control stand at the front of the loco?

 

When backing up, the engineer could just simply stick his head out the window and look back, or look in the rearview mirrors.



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Posted 20 June 2016 - 11:54 AM

Cody, why would they need a hostler control stand if they already have a control stand at the front of the loco?
 
When backing up, the engineer could just simply stick his head out the window and look back, or look in the rearview mirrors.

They have ~60 feet of locomotive between the rear coupler and the main controls. The hostler controls allow for easier sight lines when coupling to their cars. This is the same reason that freight trains when coupling have someone on the ground near the coupler giving instructions to the engineer.

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Posted 20 June 2016 - 10:56 PM

Spotted SCAX 905 at CMF (Central Maintenance Facility) this morning as I was coming into town on Metrolink 100 from Chatsworth.


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Posted 30 November 2016 - 10:48 AM

According to a posting in trainorders, the F125 project is currently in deep doo doo. It has not been certified by FRA yet, so deliveries are all held up by the bunch of issues that need to be resolved first. meanwhile Vossloh which is a supplier of design and parts to EMD for the F125 has been acquired by Stadler, which competes with EMD in the US. So things are not exactly going peachy between EMD and Vossloh anymore. Considering that Vossloh manufactures the body of the F125, that is - shall we say - a bit of a problem, over and above the problems with FRA certification, or lack thereof.

 

Meanwhile EMD is apparently so late that they have already reached the maximum liquidated damages, so they are unlikely to deliver anything further until all issues are resolved. So everyone is sitting around the one hangar queen in possession of Metrolink (905) and apparently another one sitting in Pueblo, which is yet to complete the testing for certification, for issues to resolve first.

 

Seems like shades of CAF repeating itself here.



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Posted 30 November 2016 - 05:29 PM

Cody, why would they need a hostler control stand if they already have a control stand at the front of the loco?

 

When backing up, the engineer could just simply stick his head out the window and look back, or look in the rearview mirrors.

 

It's not as simple as sticking your head out a window or looking in the side mirrors.

 

Run an engine long hood forward and you will quickly understand. 


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Posted 30 November 2016 - 06:34 PM

According to a posting in trainorders, the F125 project is currently in deep doo doo. It has not been certified by FRA yet, so deliveries are all held up by the bunch of issues that need to be resolved first. meanwhile Vossloh which is a supplier of design and parts to EMD for the F125 has been acquired by Stadler, which competes with EMD in the US. So things are not exactly going peachy between EMD and Vossloh anymore. Considering that Vossloh manufactures the body of the F125, that is - shall we say - a bit of a problem, over and above the problems with FRA certification, or lack thereof. Meanwhile EMD is apparently so late that they have already reached the maximum liquidated damages, so they are unlikely to deliver anything further until all issues are resolved. So everyone is sitting around the one hangar queen in possession of Metrolink (905) and apparently another one sitting in Pueblo, which is yet to complete the testing for certification, for issues to resolve first. Seems like shades of CAF repeating itself here.

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Posted 30 November 2016 - 07:58 PM

I do wonder how long EMD will continue. This is not their first major mis-step in the last several years and Cat has shown signs that they might be willing to pull the plug on it. At the very least, the competition for passenger locomotives is very strong in the usa and this could kill that department for EMD.


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Posted 30 November 2016 - 09:58 PM

I do wonder how long EMD will continue. This is not their first major mis-step in the last several years and Cat has shown signs that they might be willing to pull the plug on it. At the very least, the competition for passenger locomotives is very strong in the usa and this could kill that department for EMD.

EMD has already been withdrawn from use as a brand, though they do still make many freight locomotives.

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Posted 30 November 2016 - 10:14 PM

 

I do wonder how long EMD will continue. This is not their first major mis-step in the last several years and Cat has shown signs that they might be willing to pull the plug on it. At the very least, the competition for passenger locomotives is very strong in the usa and this could kill that department for EMD.

EMD has already been withdrawn from use as a brand, though they do still make many freight locomotives.

 

Yes, though the whole tier 4 transition has been a disaster for EMD too. Progress Rail is a better brand, so it might help reboot EMD even if it's no longer called EMD.


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Posted 01 December 2016 - 08:40 AM

According to a posting in trainorders, the F125 project is currently in deep doo doo. It has not been certified by FRA yet, so deliveries are all held up by the bunch of issues that need to be resolved first. meanwhile Vossloh which is a supplier of design and parts to EMD for the F125 has been acquired by Stadler, which competes with EMD in the US. So things are not exactly going peachy between EMD and Vossloh anymore. Considering that Vossloh manufactures the body of the F125, that is - shall we say - a bit of a problem, over and above the problems with FRA certification, or lack thereof.

 

 

 

With everybody owning everybody else these days, isn't it already quite common that parts are sourced from competitors in the industry? I don't think this situation is totally unprecedented nor unresolvable.

 

And whereas Stadler may now be building locomotives for the European market, they are not supplying any in the US market nor planning to, so I don't see an immediate conflict of interest.






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