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Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:07 PM

Interesting that Amtrak in its potential locomotive orders states it wants a longer unit, rumored to be for a larger HEP unit in comparison to the Chargers produced now. I wander if Amtrak goes with Siemens will Amtrak spec a different look or nose for their units.

I would laugh if amtrak chose to use a nose very similar to a P42...



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 02:10 PM

Interesting that Amtrak in its potential locomotive orders states it wants a longer unit, rumored to be for a larger HEP unit in comparison to the Chargers produced now. I wander if Amtrak goes with Siemens will Amtrak spec a different look or nose for their units.

 

Where  are there specifications for the various chargers already produced ?  Thought all were ordered with the 1000 kW capacity for ease of interoperability with various agencies ?  The 680 kW is listed as standard.  However all Chargers have the same HEP inverters that are installed in the ACS-64s ( 2 in thoses units )  Maybe that is a derating limit installed at customer's request.   aWe blieve that 680 kW would be at least  sufficient for  13 cars requiring HEP Amtrak train superliner.  14 with baggage.  Probably a 16 car single level ?


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Posted 06 September 2018 - 04:15 PM

 

Interesting that Amtrak in its potential locomotive orders states it wants a longer unit, rumored to be for a larger HEP unit in comparison to the Chargers produced now. I wander if Amtrak goes with Siemens will Amtrak spec a different look or nose for their units.

 

Where  are there specifications for the various chargers already produced ?  Thought all were ordered with the 1000 kW capacity for ease of interoperability with various agencies ?  The 680 kW is listed as standard.  However all Chargers have the same HEP inverters that are installed in the ACS-64s ( 2 in thoses units )  Maybe that is a derating limit installed at customer's request.   aWe blieve that 680 kW would be at least  sufficient for  13 cars requiring HEP Amtrak train superliner.  14 with baggage.  Probably a 16 car single level ?

As I understand it, mechanically, there are only two kinds of Chargers, the SC-44 and the SCB-40. From what I've read, the latter is just an SC-44 fitted with a special nose and tuned down to have 4000 hp instead of 4400 hp. Beyond that, it looks like they're all the same.


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Posted 06 September 2018 - 04:24 PM

The question still remains, has anyone seen a real specification of what has actually been delivered? I am sure it is around somewhere, but I have not seen it. Absent that, it is all hearsay.



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Posted 06 September 2018 - 05:51 PM

 

Interesting that Amtrak in its potential locomotive orders states it wants a longer unit, rumored to be for a larger HEP unit in comparison to the Chargers produced now. I wander if Amtrak goes with Siemens will Amtrak spec a different look or nose for their units.

I would laugh if amtrak chose to use a nose very similar to a P42...

 

Funny, I was thinking the same thing.



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Posted 07 September 2018 - 06:19 AM

 

Interesting that Amtrak in its potential locomotive orders states it wants a longer unit, rumored to be for a larger HEP unit in comparison to the Chargers produced now. I wander if Amtrak goes with Siemens will Amtrak spec a different look or nose for their units.

I would laugh if amtrak chose to use a nose very similar to a P42...
 
Funny, I was thinking the same thing.
Both the Chargers and P42s are designed for maximum machinery length by placing the cab forward. And both seem to be discouraging anything that is hit from riding up and entering the cab by reverse or vertical slope on the lower part. One just looks like a Siemens locomotive and the other, well, doesn’t. Siemens will almost certainly do anything you pay them to do. But any Charger based locomotive will still look smaller than the current Amtrak locomotives, side by side.

BTW. For increased confusion, this says both 800 and 600 kw for HEP. http://miprc.org/Por...0-10-131934-007

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Posted 07 September 2018 - 06:49 AM

There is a design minimum requirement to meet NGEC/PRIAA, but larger size units are available. Different types of users will have different requirements.- previous example: SEPTA no toilet, Amtrak, yes toilet Remember, in an HEP setup unless the power is coming from a separate source like a genset or power car, it reduces what is available for traction. 



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Posted 11 September 2018 - 07:30 PM

Saw two Pacific Surfliner chargers on the southbound coast starlight today going through San Jose
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Posted 12 September 2018 - 09:11 AM

Saw two Pacific Surfliner chargers on the southbound coast starlight today going through San Jose

Wait, were you on the Coast Starlight or were the locomotives on the Starlight (deadheading)?


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Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:42 PM

 

Saw two Pacific Surfliner chargers on the southbound coast starlight today going through San Jose

Wait, were you on the Coast Starlight or were the locomotives on the Starlight (deadheading)?

 

 

The post says he saw them going through San Jose. Which to me implies the units were going to LAX as the units would have been added in Oakland. 


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 05:23 PM

There appear to be 6 Pacific Surfliner Chargers in LA now.

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Posted 17 September 2018 - 05:38 PM


 


Saw two Pacific Surfliner chargers on the southbound coast starlight today going through San Jose

Wait, were you on the Coast Starlight or were the locomotives on the Starlight (deadheading)?
 
 
The post says he saw them going through San Jose. Which to me implies the units were going to LAX as the units would have been added in Oakland. 

Correct. Saw them roll by

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