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#281 ainamkartma

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 04:43 PM

 

Front Range Limited from Denver to Albuquerque, numbers 411-416

 

Front Range Flyer is desperately needed, but should go Cheyenne-Fo Co-Longmont-Boulder-Denver-C Springs-Pueblo-Trinidad, not Denver to Albuquerque.  Just look at the highways: from Pueblo to Cheyenne, I-25 and all secondary roads are chronically backed up; from Trinidad to ABQ, very underutilized.  I don't think a mountain division train can compete when cars on the parallel highway are going 85 mph.

 

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Posted 06 July 2018 - 09:17 PM

 
Front Range Limited from Denver to Albuquerque, numbers 411-416

 
Front Range Flyer is desperately needed, but should go Cheyenne-Fo Co-Longmont-Boulder-Denver-C Springs-Pueblo-Trinidad, not Denver to Albuquerque.  Just look at the highways: from Pueblo to Cheyenne, I-25 and all secondary roads are chronically backed up; from Trinidad to ABQ, very underutilized.  I don't think a mountain division train can compete when cars on the parallel highway are going 85 mph.
 
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Thing is, the railroads are backed up around CO Springs, too.

Also, I'd think there'd be some passengers wanting to go from Denver to New Mexico without driving in traffic a third of the way. That can only happen if PTC is installed on NMRX tracks, though. Maybe send it up the slow & windy tracks from Lamy to Santa Fe :P

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 05:44 PM

 

 

 
Front Range Limited from Denver to Albuquerque, numbers 411-416

 
Front Range Flyer is desperately needed, but should go Cheyenne-Fo Co-Longmont-Boulder-Denver-C Springs-Pueblo-Trinidad, not Denver to Albuquerque.  Just look at the highways: from Pueblo to Cheyenne, I-25 and all secondary roads are chronically backed up; from Trinidad to ABQ, very underutilized.  I don't think a mountain division train can compete when cars on the parallel highway are going 85 mph.
 
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Thing is, the railroads are backed up around CO Springs, too.

 

 

I would suggest that the most practical way to implement a Front Range Flyer is on new right of way...  because a passenger service which is busy competing with slow (and effectively unscheduled) freight drags can't compete effectively with the automobile.

 

Colorado has proven it is willing to build highways (E470, etc. etc.) and trains (Denver LRT and commuter rail) on new right of way in the modern era.  There is no absolute reason that model couldn't be extended to the Front Range Flyer.

 

The thing about the (Fo Co to Pueblo) Front Range Flyer is not that it would be easy to implement: it's that if it _were_ implemented properly, it would immediately be very heavily used.

 

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Posted 10 July 2018 - 08:02 PM

All I want is New Orleans to Orlando!
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Posted 11 July 2018 - 09:11 PM

All I want is for it to be easy to run some train cars down some track! I don't want to worry about bad accounting or expensive dining service or siding lengths or train safety (already safer than the ever-popular car) or funding shortages or bad CEOs. Just drive it down and lay down some concrete slabs for people to wait on! ;)

Edited by ParanoidAndroid, 11 July 2018 - 09:12 PM.

I have ridden Cascades #516 (SEA-STW), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-SLO), Southwest Chief #4 (LAX-CHI), Cardinal #50 (CHI-NYP), Northeast Regional #85 (NYP-WAS), Capitol Limited #30 (HFY-WAS), Coast Starlight #14 (LAX-PDX), Coast Starlight #11 (SLO-LAX), and many Pacific Surfliners with Amtrak. I have observed, including the previous, California Zephyr #5 at SAC (lucky), what I guess to be Crescent #19 (at WAS) and Silver Meteor #97 (at WAS), Empire Builder #28 at PDX, and Sunset Limited #2/Texas Eagle #422 at LAX. I have also ridden the Hokutosei in Japan, Ueno - Sapporo (now discontinued).


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Posted 05 August 2018 - 11:47 AM

All I want is New Orleans to Orlando!

That really is desperately needed. Florida is so isolated from everyone else and it's near impossible to go cross country from there anymore.


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Posted 05 August 2018 - 01:15 PM


All I want is New Orleans to Orlando!

That really is desperately needed. Florida is so isolated from everyone else and it's near impossible to go cross country from there anymore.
Not gonna happen in most of our Lifetimes since the States involved don't want to put up the $$$ and Amtrak doesn't have it!
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Posted 05 August 2018 - 01:16 PM

 

 

All I want is New Orleans to Orlando!

That really is desperately needed. Florida is so isolated from everyone else and it's near impossible to go cross country from there anymore.
Not gonna happen in most of our Lifetimes since the States involved don't want to put up the $$$ and Amtrak doesn't have it!

 

That's what's especially frustrating. All the tracks and ROW are already there, but it's just the funding and lack of political willpower that prohibit it.


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Posted 05 August 2018 - 02:13 PM

 

 

 

That's what's especially frustrating. All the tracks and ROW are already there, but it's just the funding and lack of political willpower that prohibit it.

 

Would like to add to political will the political will to fund more equipment



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Posted 05 August 2018 - 03:07 PM

Would like to clarify our post about political will to add more equipment.  Purely hypothetical so if -----------

1.  $1B for say 250 additional cars   + another $300M for locos.

2.  Then it probably would take another $1.1B for facilities and training additional maintenance personnel.

3..  Facilities you ask ?  Here are the problems.  Any yard needs to have no more than 80% of space taken up to allow for maneuvering cars around to make up consists and move bad order cars to RIP tracks.  These problems may have significance for Amtrak being able to lengthen some of its LD trains ?.  Remember many RRs downgraded and sold parts of their yards and facilities in the past especially PRR, PC, Conrail .  Also many locations has seen a big increase in commuter running equipment. Understand that 80% figure also applies to freight yards. 

a.  BOS yard is full and right now cannot easily take more than an 8 car train especially in winter.

b.  New Haven  MNRR has used up all available space

c.  NY Sunnyside is full with the many NJ Transit trains during the daytime rush

d.  PHL  Am not sure of its present capacity limits

e.  WASH Ivy City is full with the many  commuter cars that but that yard will have some additional capacity if the VRE yard SE of the NEC .main ever gets built ?

f.  Orlando AutoTrain facility fills up each mid day

g.  MIA   There does appear some excess capacity there as often new V-2s are prepared there.

h.  CHI  14th street near full and more locos at facility will need another yard(s) that were given up in past years.

I.  LAX seems OK for now but SOCAL does want more cars and locos 

j.  Oakland Emeryville do not know

k.  SEA  unknown but once all Talgos are based there ?

l.  New Orleans does have additional capacity but at present does not have  consistent need for additional cars as only the CNO train set lays over for 20 hours.  It however could have consists lay over longer.  The problem s of evacuating NOL when hurricanes threaten as there is not crew base there for using NS and CSX.  Sunset and CN routes unknown.



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Posted 09 August 2018 - 08:53 PM

***THIS IS AN UPDATED VERSION***

 

ALL CHANGES ARE INDICATED IN RED, BOLD WRITING.

 

 

MICHIGAN SERVICES:

 

Bring the International back, routed via Detroit to Toronto. 

 

Add 356/357 and 358/359 to the Wolverine route on the holiday schedule. Utilize the renovated MCS in Detroit as a "mini-hub" for Amtrak, with all Wolverine services terminating in Detroit at MCS. Detroit -- New Center, Troy, Royal Oak, and Pontiac can be served by frequent DMU commuter rail service. 

 

Add 366/367 to the Blue Water route to provide mid-day service to that region. It's a real pain to get up on the weekend to go home and you aren't able to take CATA to LNS (since they don't start running until 10). Additionally, the 8:40 AM WB arrival interferes with class schedules. 

 

Add 372/373 between GRR and CHI, mirroring 370/371. 

Add 374/375 and 376/377 between DET and GRR over the CSX Plymouth Sub. This line sees very little traffic (a couple road trains, a local, and as occasional unit grain). Hand 'er over to MDOT/Amtrak and upgrade it for 110 MPH. 

 

Turn MCS into a mini-hub. Sure, Ford owns the building, but since they're only keeping four passenger tracks, there's sufficient space to make an addition and move Amtrak's offices from Pontiac to the MCS. That would all have to be negotiated though. 

 

360/361 and 362/363 as DET-TOL-CIN, connecting with the CL in Toledo and Cardinal in Cincinnati. 

 

368/369 for a Detroit* to Traverse City service as the reincarnation of the Lake Cities, calling at Howell, Durand, Mt. Pleasant, Cadillac, and Traverse City. 

 

*I say Detroit instead of GR because, although GR is closer, the infrastructure doesn't exist to operate directly between GR and Traverse City. Plus, GR is a stub-end station. 

 

 

NATIONAL NETWORK:

 

Reroute the LSL via the Michigan Line and Canada to Boston. Forget splitting at Albany. Shorter station stop will shorten the running time. Also, this will be a SECURED TRAIN while traveling through Canada to expedite the border-crossing process. The goal is to give customs officials at Niagara Falls a full list of passengers and crew ahead of time so the passengers can be checked against the list and the train can receive a quick inspection before re-entering the US instead of a long, drawn-out process that killed off the International. 

 

Broadway Limited between NYP and Chicago, in LSL's old time slot. 

 

Add a second frequency for qualifying National Network routes. Qualifying routes would have to have sufficient ridership and available equipment and crews, as well as being cost-effective and would depart twice a day, once in the early afternoon (1-2 PM, allowing for morning corridor trains to connect) and once in the evening after dinner, perhaps 7 or 8 PM, allowing mid-afternoon trains to connect. Possible candidates include the Coast StarlightEmpire BuilderLake Shore Limited, etc. 

 

WISCONSIN/MINNESOTA SERVICES:

 

North Coast Limited (instead of North Coast Hiawatha to avoid confusion with the current Hiawatha), CHI-MSP on a schedule akin to the Wolverine's current schedule. 

 

Expand the Hiawatha schedule to include two more pairs. 

 

 

ILLINOIS SERVICES:

 

Reinstatement of the Black Hawk, Chicago to Dubuque, IA.

 

Implementation of service to the Quad Cities as the Quad Cities Zephyr.

 

Additional trains for the Lincoln Service.

 

 

WESTERN SERVICES: 

 

An additional pair for the Missouri River Runner.

 

Prairie Star (KCY-DEN). 

 

Front Range Limited, route TBD. 

 

Extending the Heartland Flyer to Kansas City via Wichita and Newton, KS. 

 

Direct rail connection between the Pacific Surfliner and Capitol Corridor services. Currently, this section is only served by the Coast Starlight, creating a gap in corridor service. Creating a specific LA to Oakland service could prove useful to relieving pressure on local highways.

 

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