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Posted 13 February 2016 - 12:02 PM

Of the Heritage Diners I do like the Timoinsa rebuilds a lot. The others are in various levels of sad shape.

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Posted 13 February 2016 - 12:49 PM

Not surprised....very few railcars look as they did that long ago.   Some notable exceptions are the original PATCO Lindenwold cars with their open operator's cabs when I rode them in 2014, but I believe they have since been rebuilt...

and the NY MTA R-32 subway cars are only slightly modified,  aesthetically speaking....

 

Those KCS cars in the photo I have looked more like commuter cars than long-haul inside, except for their reclining seats....


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Posted 14 February 2016 - 12:52 AM

It really depends on the car seat wise. There are some 52 or 56 seaters and some that are around 70 if I remember correct. Longs tend to get the 52 seat cars. Shorts are in the other
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Posted 17 February 2016 - 08:37 PM

The KCS cars have 66 seats, while the UP cars have 56. Both are similar in decoration, although the lighting for the UP cars has been modified, while the KCS cars retain 1950s style commuter lighting (reminded me of the old LIRR diesel fleet/Metro North ACMUs). Flooring in both types is mostly green carpet. The seat frames are of the kind recently installed in Superliners. Both consists last weekend were 4 cars.
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Posted 20 February 2016 - 02:50 PM

OK, any updates to this list?

Former baggage cars believed to be in service, but used only to "make up the axle count":
1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159, 1161, 1164,  1241, 1247, 1248* (probably soon to go)

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260 (Likely the last ACF car on Amtrak's active roster) -- is this really in service? OTOL doesn't think so

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709, 1760
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702-1703,  1710, 1714, 1716-1717, 1750, 1761,

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751-1752-1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1730-1731, 1733, 1735, 1738, 1757

 

(addition to original list) "Training cars" (origin unknown):

1762, 1232

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Dining cars believed still in service:

1946 NYC Budd:
8553 -- NY Central 452, Penn Central 4552 -- built Budd 1946, "grill" conversion 1980s

1948 NYC Budd:
8512 -- NY Central 463, Penn Central 4563 -- built Budd 1948 as "grill lounge", quirky non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s

1948 CB&Q Budd:
8551 -- CB&Q 194 "Silver Diner" -- built Budd 1948, "grill" conversion 1987, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8504 -- CB&Q 195 "Silver Restaurant"-- appears to be sister car to 8551 (it's an educated guess that this is the build date), Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8510 -- CB&Q 193 "Silver Cafe" -- (Dailey says built Budd 1958 but I think it's a typo), Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1948/1949 Southern Budd:
8524 -- Southern 3309 -- built Budd 1948
8521 -- Southern 3306 -- built Budd 1949
8558 -- Southern 3307 -- built Budd 1949, "grill" in 1980s

1950 CB&Q Budd:
8502 -- "Silver Cuisine" CB&Q 198 -- built Budd 1950

1950 Southern Pacific Budd:
8528 -- Southern Pacific 10213 -- built Budd 1950
8559 -- Southern Pacific 10210 -- built Budd 1950, "grill" in 1980s
8527 -- Southern Pacific 10212 -- built Budd 1950, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1951 Pennsy former Parlor Car:
8530 -- Pennsylvania Railroad 7143 "Molly Pitcher", Penn Central 7143 -- built Budd 1951 as "parlor car", converted to "galley lounge" in 1973, "cafeteria car" in 1983, Temoinsa rebuild in 2000. Whew. n

1956 CB&Q Budd former coaches:
8531 -- CB&Q 4737 "Silver Bit" -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted to dining car 1971, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8532 -- CB&Q 4739 -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted in 1970s to cafeteria car, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1957/1958 GN and NP Budd:
8550 -- Burlington Northern 1296 -- built Budd 1957, "grill" conversion 1986, non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s
8552 -- Northern Pacific 461 -- built Budd 1957, "grill" conversion 1986, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8505 -- Northern Pacific 458, later 462 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8507 -- Northern Pacific 463 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8509 -- Northern Pacific 459 or 460 (Dailey says CB&Q was also involved)-- built Budd 1958

Information from OTOL and Geno Dailey's page (http://www.trainweb....ITAGEDINER.html), plus some comments at various forums.

----
So the very oldest car is #8554 from the NYC, built in 1946.
The oldest cars which seem to have no major modifications are probably #8521 and #8524 -- potential museum candidates?
The ones with the most conversions over their lives are the 1951 Pennsy Parlor Car and the 1956 CB&Q coaches.

Anyway, any updates on which cars have been retired?


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Posted 21 February 2016 - 12:43 PM

Anyway, any updates on which cars have been retired?

 

The 8528 is finished as a whole car.  Additionally, the 1762 and 1232 bags which are not on your list are still active. They found new lives as training cars.


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Posted 21 February 2016 - 09:35 PM

Thanks, updated. 

 

If you don't mind my asking, what the heck is a training car?  What are they used for training?  I'd think that everything about them would be so different from the active cars that they wouldn't be useful for training people on how to operate or maintain the active cars... ???


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Posted 09 March 2016 - 12:04 AM

1231 and 1752 are no longer in revenue service, but will remain active. They have new roles.


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Posted 09 April 2016 - 11:27 PM

OK, any updates to this list?


8559 -- Southern Pacific 10210 -- built Budd 1950, "grill" in 1980s
 

 

Another one bites the dust. I expect another dining car retirement prior to the summer.

 

Thanks, updated. 

 

If you don't mind my asking, what the heck is a training car?  What are they used for training?  I'd think that everything about them would be so different from the active cars that they wouldn't be useful for training people on how to operate or maintain the active cars... ???

 

They are good for derailment training, practicing re-railing equipment, new hire a/c training, changing parts etc. They are quite useful. 


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Posted 10 April 2016 - 08:00 PM

They are good for derailment training, practicing re-railing equipment, new hire a/c training, changing parts etc. They are quite useful.

OK, I guess derailment/rerailment doesn't differ too much from one piece of rolling stock to the next. I'd think the parts would be *wildly* different from modern cars, though. Are there really enough parts similarities to make them useful for that? This Surprises Me.

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 08:08 PM

They are good for derailment training, practicing re-railing equipment, new hire a/c training, changing parts etc. They are quite useful.

OK, I guess derailment/rerailment doesn't differ too much from one piece of rolling stock to the next. I'd think the parts would be *wildly* different from modern cars, though. Are there really enough parts similarities to make them useful for that? This Surprises Me.
A coupler is a coupler, and an air hose is an air hose. These parts haven't changed much in about a century.

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 08:08 PM

Updated list. Probably still inaccurate. I'm still wondering about #1260.

Former baggage cars believed to be in passenger service:
1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159, 1161, 1164,  1241, 1247, 1248* (probably soon to go)

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260 (Likely the last ACF car on Amtrak's active roster) -- is this really in service? OTOL doesn't think so

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709, 1760
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702-1703,  1710, 1714, 1716-1717, 1750, 1761,

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751
1752 (now "training car")
1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1730-1731, 1733, 1735, 1738, 1757
 
(addition to original list) "Training cars" (origin unknown):
1762, 1232, 1231

-----------
Dining cars believed still in service:

1946 NYC Budd:
8553 -- NY Central 452, Penn Central 4552 -- built Budd 1946, "grill" conversion 1980s

1948 NYC Budd:
8512 -- NY Central 463, Penn Central 4563 -- built Budd 1948 as "grill lounge", quirky non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s

1948 CB&Q Budd:
8551 -- CB&Q 194 "Silver Diner" -- built Budd 1948, "grill" conversion 1987, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8504 -- CB&Q 195 "Silver Restaurant"-- appears to be sister car to 8551 (it's an educated guess that this is the build date), Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8510 -- CB&Q 193 "Silver Cafe" -- (Dailey says built Budd 1958 but I think it's a typo), Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1948/1949 Southern Budd:
8524 -- Southern 3309 -- built Budd 1948
8521 -- Southern 3306 -- built Budd 1949
8558 -- Southern 3307 -- built Budd 1949, "grill" in 1980s

1950 CB&Q Budd:
8502 -- "Silver Cuisine" CB&Q 198 -- built Budd 1950

1950 Southern Pacific Budd:
8528 -- Southern Pacific 10213 -- built Budd 1950
8559 -- Southern Pacific 10210 -- built Budd 1950, "grill" in 1980s
8527 -- Southern Pacific 10212 -- built Budd 1950, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1951 Pennsy former Parlor Car:
8530 -- Pennsylvania Railroad 7143 "Molly Pitcher", Penn Central 7143 -- built Budd 1951 as "parlor car", converted to "galley lounge" in 1973, "cafeteria car" in 1983, Temoinsa rebuild in 2000. Whew. n

1956 CB&Q Budd former coaches:
8531 -- CB&Q 4737 "Silver Bit" -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted to dining car 1971, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8532 -- CB&Q 4739 -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted in 1970s to cafeteria car, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1957/1958 GN and NP Budd:
8550 -- Burlington Northern 1296 -- built Budd 1957, "grill" conversion 1986, non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s
8552 -- Northern Pacific 461 -- built Budd 1957, "grill" conversion 1986, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8505 -- Northern Pacific 458, later 462 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8507 -- Northern Pacific 463 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8509 -- Northern Pacific 459 or 460 (Dailey says CB&Q was also involved)-- built Budd 1958

Information from OTOL and Geno Dailey's page (http://www.trainweb....ITAGEDINER.html), plus some comments at various forums.

----
So the very oldest car is #8554 from the NYC, built in 1946.
The oldest cars which seem to have no major modifications are probably #8521 and #8524 -- potential museum candidates?
The ones with the most conversions over their lives are the 1951 Pennsy Parlor Car and the 1956 CB&Q coaches.
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Posted 10 April 2016 - 08:25 PM

They are good for derailment training, practicing re-railing equipment, new hire a/c training, changing parts etc. They are quite useful.

OK, I guess derailment/rerailment doesn't differ too much from one piece of rolling stock to the next. I'd think the parts would be *wildly* different from modern cars, though. Are there really enough parts similarities to make them useful for that? This Surprises Me.

A coupler is a coupler, and an air hose is an air hose. These parts haven't changed much in about a century.

Aha. That makes sense. :-) Even if these did originally have different parts -- and they might have -- they would have been retrofitted for compatibility at some point anyway.

(Worth noting: although the Janney coupler is from the 19th century, one of the dining cars actually predates the type H tightlock coupler which was only standardized in 1947. I haven't found detail on the history of air hose connectors, but I strongly suspect they've been changed too -- but the 1950s hoses would have died of rubber fatigue and been replaced in the meantime anyway.)

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Posted 10 April 2016 - 09:38 PM

Updated list. Probably still inaccurate. I'm still wondering about #1260.

Former baggage cars believed to be in passenger service:
1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159, 1161, 1164,  1241, 1247, 1248* (probably soon to go)
 

 

The list still accurate. The 1260 is indeed active, being used as a rider car as recently as Friday. The 1248, still lingers in limbo. It hasn't been officially retired, but it hasn't been used in years.

 

 

 

 

They are good for derailment training, practicing re-railing equipment, new hire a/c training, changing parts etc. They are quite useful.

OK, I guess derailment/rerailment doesn't differ too much from one piece of rolling stock to the next. I'd think the parts would be *wildly* different from modern cars, though. Are there really enough parts similarities to make them useful for that? This Surprises Me.

 

A coupler is a coupler, and an air hose is an air hose. These parts haven't changed much in about a century.

 

Aha. That makes sense. :-) Even if these did originally have different parts -- and they might have -- they would have been retrofitted for compatibility at some point anyway.

(Worth noting: although the Janney coupler is from the 19th century, one of the dining cars actually predates the type H tightlock coupler which was only standardized in 1947. I haven't found detail on the history of air hose connectors, but I strongly suspect they've been changed too -- but the 1950s hoses would have died of rubber fatigue and been replaced in the meantime anyway.)

 

 

Additionally, the electrical components in terms of HEP are pretty much the same. Changing a 480 cable on this and cutting out the actual trucks are quite similar to a Horizon coach.


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Posted 09 July 2016 - 10:39 PM

This looks a lot better to me:

 

Updated list. Probably still inaccurate. I'm still wondering about #1260.

Former baggage cars believed to be in passenger service:
1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159, 1161, 1164,  1241,  1248* (probably soon to go)

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260 (Likely the last ACF car on Amtrak's active roster) -- is this really in service? OTOL doesn't think so

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702-1703,  1710, 1714, 1716-1717, 1750, 1761,

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751
1752 (now "training car")
1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1730-1731, 1733, 1735, 1738
 
(addition to original list) "Training cars" (origin unknown):
1762, 1232, 1231

-----------
Dining cars believed still in service:

1946 NYC Budd:
8553 -- NY Central 452, Penn Central 4552 -- built Budd 1946, "grill" conversion 1980s

1948 NYC Budd:
8512 -- NY Central 463, Penn Central 4563 -- built Budd 1948 as "grill lounge", quirky non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s

1948 CB&Q Budd:
8510 -- CB&Q 193 "Silver Cafe" -- (Dailey says built Budd 1958 but I think it's a typo), Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s


1950 Southern Pacific Budd:
8527 -- Southern Pacific 10212 -- built Budd 1950, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1951 Pennsy former Parlor Car:
8530 -- Pennsylvania Railroad 7143 "Molly Pitcher", Penn Central 7143 -- built Budd 1951 as "parlor car", converted to "galley lounge" in 1973, "cafeteria car" in 1983, Temoinsa rebuild in 2000. Whew. n

1956 CB&Q Budd former coaches:
8531 -- CB&Q 4737 "Silver Bit" -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted to dining car 1971, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8532 -- CB&Q 4739 -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted in 1970s to cafeteria car, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1957/1958 GN and NP Budd:
8550 -- Burlington Northern 1296 -- built Budd 1957, "grill" conversion 1986, non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s
8505 -- Northern Pacific 458, later 462 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8507 -- Northern Pacific 463 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8509 -- Northern Pacific 459 or 460 (Dailey says CB&Q was also involved)-- built Budd 1958

Information from OTOL and Geno Dailey's page (http://www.trainweb....ITAGEDINER.html), plus some comments at various forums.

----
So the very oldest car is #8554 from the NYC, built in 1946.
The oldest cars which seem to have no major modifications are probably #8521 and #8524 -- potential museum candidates?
The ones with the most conversions over their lives are the 1951 Pennsy Parlor Car and the 1956 CB&Q coaches.

 

 

As mentioned in the Where are all the dining cars going? thread, it is unlikely you will see the 8502, 8504, 8551,8552 or the 8558 in revenue service again. T


Edited by Thirdrail7, 09 July 2016 - 10:40 PM.

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Posted 10 July 2016 - 05:15 PM

1948/1949 Southern Budd:
8524 -- Southern 3309 -- built Budd 1948
8521 -- Southern 3306 -- built Budd 1949
8558 -- Southern 3307 -- built Budd 1949, "grill" in 1980s
 

 

I wonder if one of these cars might be a good grab for someone like TVRM? Strip the striping off, put some Southern lettering back on it and you're in business (of course I know its not that simple, but hey...).

 

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Posted 23 July 2016 - 05:47 PM

 

1948/1949 Southern Budd:
8524 -- Southern 3309 -- built Budd 1948
8521 -- Southern 3306 -- built Budd 1949
8558 -- Southern 3307 -- built Budd 1949, "grill" in 1980s
 

 

I wonder if one of these cars might be a good grab for someone like TVRM? Strip the striping off, put some Southern lettering back on it and you're in business (of course I know its not that simple, but hey...).

 

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Given their decrepit state, it would be wisest for a museum to buy all three and attempt to build one good car out of the combination! 


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Posted 03 August 2016 - 09:05 PM

The list with some strikes

1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159
1161
1164
1241
1248**

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702
1703
1710
1714
1716
1717
1750
1761

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751
1752*
1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1730
1731*
1733
1735
1738
 
* 'Training cars' including 1762, 1232

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Dining cars:

1946 NYC Budd:
8553 -- NY Central 452, Penn Central 4552 -- built Budd 1946, "grill" conversion 1980s

1948 NYC Budd:
8512 -- NY Central 463, Penn Central 4563 -- built Budd 1948 as "grill lounge", quirky non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s

1948 CB&Q Budd:
8510 -- CB&Q 193 "Silver Cafe" -- (Dailey says built Budd 1958 but I think it's a typo), Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s


1950 Southern Pacific Budd:
8527 -- Southern Pacific 10212 -- built Budd 1950, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1951 Pennsy former Parlor Car:
8530 -- Pennsylvania Railroad 7143 "Molly Pitcher", Penn Central 7143 -- built Budd 1951 as "parlor car", converted to "galley lounge" in 1973, "cafeteria car" in 1983, Temoinsa rebuild in 2000. Whew. n

1956 CB&Q Budd former coaches:
8531 -- CB&Q 4737 "Silver Bit" -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted to dining car 1971, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8532 -- CB&Q 4739 -- built Budd 1956 as a coach, converted in 1970s to cafeteria car, to HEP 1985, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s

1957/1958 GN and NP Budd:
8550 -- Burlington Northern 1296 -- built Budd 1957, "grill" conversion 1986, non-Temoinsa rebuild in 2000s
8505 -- Northern Pacific 458, later 462 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8507 -- Northern Pacific 463 -- built Budd 1957, Temoinsa rebuild early 2000s
8509 -- Northern Pacific 459 or 460 (Dailey says CB&Q was also involved)-- built Budd 1958

Information from OTOL and Geno Dailey's page (http://www.trainweb....ITAGEDINER.html), plus some comments at various forums.

Reclassified for Maintenance of Way:
1231, 1237, 1705

Edited by KnightRail, 06 August 2016 - 02:50 PM.


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 09:01 AM

Let's make some updates to this list, shall we?

 

The list with some strikes

1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159
1161
1164
1241
1248**

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702
1703
1710
1714
1716
1717
1750
1761

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751
1752*
1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1730
1731*
1733
1735
1738
 
* 'Training cars' including 1762, 1232

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Reclassified for Maintenance of Way:
1231, 1237, 1705

 

 

 

This is current reflection of what is in revenue service:

 

 

 

1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159
1248**


1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:

1714
1750
1761

 

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751
1752*
1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1730
1731*


* 'Training cars' including 1762, 1232


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Posted 10 November 2016 - 12:24 PM

Can I ask a dumb question. What are the training cars used for? I'm assuming a class room.
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