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#21 R30A

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 09:02 PM

As of now, I have active:

 

1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159-1164, 1204, 1206, 1237, 1241, 1247-1248

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260 (Likely the last ACF car on Amtrak's active roster)

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230-1231

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709, 1754, (1760)

 

1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702-1703, 1705, 1708, 1710-1711, 1714, 1716-1717, 1750, 1761

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751-1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1701, 1730, 1733, (1735), 1738, 1756-1757

Cars in parentheses are those with reported future retirement dates having passed, without any report of an actual retirement. 
Sources remain the same, with the addition of ThirdRail7's contributions.
I may have missed a few here, Shout out if you see an error! 



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Posted 24 September 2015 - 11:27 PM

Wow.  That's 39 still in service.  I guess some of them are padding out the consists running on CN.


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Posted 29 September 2015 - 06:29 PM

 

Surprised that Budd bags would be put out to pasture before the rattletrap coach conversions, but what do I know. (See username.)

It's probably a case of Amtrak moving to retire almost all of them over the course of a few months.  I count 71 baggage cars above, versus I believe 80 bags/bag-dorms Amtrak bought in the Viewliner II order (55+25 turned to 65+15 IIRC).  Honestly, Amtrak is probably going to move them all to Beech Grove and then evaluate which (if any) it wants to hold as spares/backups in the event that an issue arises with the Viewliner IIs over the next 2-3 years.

 

The way that they are chopping up the AEM-7's, I doubt it. Probably check them out and see if there are any worth selling and scrap the rest as soon as they can.


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Posted 29 September 2015 - 09:22 PM

Some Heritage bags may be kept in CHI for the CN requirement of a certain number of axels on Amtrak trains on its tracks.



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Posted 01 November 2015 - 04:25 PM

Looks like 3 heritage baggage cars are in Wilmington, based from information and pictures from the nec fb group
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Posted 01 November 2015 - 07:07 PM

Looks like 3 heritage baggage cars are in Wilmington, based from information and pictures from the nec fb group

 

They would be the cars listed below:

 

R30A should have the numbers. BTW, I believe you can add 1762, 1731 and 1232 your existing count, R30a.

 

Additionally, not all delivered bags have been accepted for service at this time and mods are still underway on some of the accepted bags.

 

They have found new life as training equipment. A lot of the heritage bags are being used as axle count cars. I continue to hope they will keep a few scattered along the NEC repair points for use as rider cars to expedite engine movements. This was done years ago. Keep them until the wheels run off.

 

BTW, R30A, the 1709 and 1735 remain active but you can scratch the 1160,1162,1163,1204,1711 and the 1754 from your list. the 1248 has its own issue but I doubt you'll see it again.


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Posted 01 November 2015 - 11:14 PM

What are axle count cars?
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Posted 02 November 2015 - 12:04 AM



What are axle count cars?

 

This small thread should help.


Edited by Thirdrail7, 02 November 2015 - 12:04 AM.

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Posted 02 November 2015 - 09:19 AM

Updating R30A's list with ThirdRail's information

As of now, I have active:
 
1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159, 1161, 1164, 1206, 1237, 1241, 1247, 1248* (probably soon to go)

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260 (Likely the last ACF car on Amtrak's active roster)

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230, 1231, 1232

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709, 1754, 1760
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702-1703, 1705, 1708, 1710, 1714, 1716-1717, 1750, 1761, 1762

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751-1752-1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1701, 1730-1731, 1733, 1735, 1738, 1756-1757

so... 37 or 38 cars.

Edited by neroden, 02 November 2015 - 11:59 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2015 - 10:40 AM

I think you need to delete 1709 from the 1953 ATSF Budd 48 seat conversion line. 



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Posted 02 November 2015 - 11:59 PM

Why yes, yes I do.

I wonder how long these cars will last in their new service as "axle count cars". I'm honestly surprised the conversions are even functioning at all, since apparently baggage load damaged most of their suspensions.

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Posted 08 February 2016 - 11:15 PM

This looks better and reflects what is still in revenue service.

 

 

Updating R30A's list with ThirdRail's information

As of now, I have active:
 
1953 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1159, 1161, 1164,  1241, 1247, 1248* (probably soon to go)

1955 ATSF ACF Baggage:
1260 (Likely the last ACF car on Amtrak's active roster)

1957 ATSF Budd Baggage:
1230, 

1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1709, 1760
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Conversion:
1702-1703,  1710, 1714, 1716-1717, 1750, 1761,

1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
1751-1752-1753

1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Conversion:
 1730-1731, 1733, 1735, 1738, 1757

 


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 01:08 AM

What about other (non-baggage) cars still running?   Any heritage diner's or coaches?


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 04:43 AM

I don't know which diners are still active, but "most of them".

 

Apart from baggage cars and dining cars, the remaining cars which predate Amtrak and are still in service are:

4 or 5 Pacific Parlour Cars

1 Great Dome

Metroliner cab cars

some of the "Company Service" cars (I don't know the histories on most of these)

North Carolina owned cars

 

Most of these didn't go through the Heritage rebuild program specifically so don't technically qualify as Heritage cars, but you were probably curious anyway.

 

PS.  I believe among the Company Service cars, 10020, 10021, 9800, and 10501 are former Heritage cars.  10001 through 10004 are not.  I have no idea about 10005, 10400, 10404, and 10405.

 

And I forgot the Anniversary Train, which has one Heritage ex-sleeper and three Heritage ex-baggage cars.

 

Oh -- if you haven't looked at On Track On Line's Amtrak Roster, it's my main source of information here.


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 07:50 AM

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 03:12 PM

I don't know which diners are still active, but "most of them".

 

Apart from baggage cars and dining cars, the remaining cars which predate Amtrak and are still in service are:

4 or 5 Pacific Parlour Cars

1 Great Dome

Metroliner cab cars

some of the "Company Service" cars (I don't know the histories on most of these)

North Carolina owned cars

 

Most of these didn't go through the Heritage rebuild program specifically so don't technically qualify as Heritage cars, but you were probably curious anyway.

 

PS.  I believe among the Company Service cars, 10020, 10021, 9800, and 10501 are former Heritage cars.  10001 through 10004 are not.  I have no idea about 10005, 10400, 10404, and 10405.

 

And I forgot the Anniversary Train, which has one Heritage ex-sleeper and three Heritage ex-baggage cars.

 

Oh -- if you haven't looked at On Track On Line's Amtrak Roster, it's my main source of information here.

 

 

As one of the moderators of the OTOL Forum I should point out that for those interested, the On Track On Line rosters can be found at http://on-track-on-l...ak-roster.shtml

Wow....what a great resource guys....thanks for posting!

 

So if I read it correctly, the only pre-Metroliner single level coaches still in use are those owned by North Carolina?   I believe the ex-KCS cars are considered the last new standard coaches built for any railroad....


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 08:24 PM

They are the last single level coaches built I believe. And I think but don't quote me they might have some ex Union Pacific cars. They also own an observation car or used to but haven't operated in Raleigh yard
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Posted 10 February 2016 - 12:58 PM

I don't know which diners are still active, but "most of them".

 

Apart from baggage cars and dining cars, the remaining cars which predate Amtrak and are still in service are:

4 or 5 Pacific Parlour Cars

1 Great Dome

Metroliner cab cars

some of the "Company Service" cars (I don't know the histories on most of these)

North Carolina owned cars

 

Most of these didn't go through the Heritage rebuild program specifically so don't technically qualify as Heritage cars, but you were probably curious anyway.

 

PS.  I believe among the Company Service cars, 10020, 10021, 9800, and 10501 are former Heritage cars.  10001 through 10004 are not.  I have no idea about 10005, 10400, 10404, and 10405.

 

And I forgot the Anniversary Train, which has one Heritage ex-sleeper and three Heritage ex-baggage cars.

 

Oh -- if you haven't looked at On Track On Line's Amtrak Roster, it's my main source of information here.

10020,10021, and 10405 are former UP 10-6 Pacific series sleepers, which ended up as Crew Dorms. Most heritage cars had ADA rebuilds. These did not. 9800 and 10005 are both former Metroliners(I suppose you could go either way as to whether they are "Heritage"- Although they did not go through the 1970s-1980s HEP rebuild program). 10501 and 10400 are former Army Hospital cars, like the NCDOT combines, and 10404 is a former baggage car, Probably ATSF(but I have not looked it up).  

 

 

I don't know which diners are still active, but "most of them".

 

Apart from baggage cars and dining cars, the remaining cars which predate Amtrak and are still in service are:

4 or 5 Pacific Parlour Cars

1 Great Dome

Metroliner cab cars

some of the "Company Service" cars (I don't know the histories on most of these)

North Carolina owned cars

 

Most of these didn't go through the Heritage rebuild program specifically so don't technically qualify as Heritage cars, but you were probably curious anyway.

 

PS.  I believe among the Company Service cars, 10020, 10021, 9800, and 10501 are former Heritage cars.  10001 through 10004 are not.  I have no idea about 10005, 10400, 10404, and 10405.

 

And I forgot the Anniversary Train, which has one Heritage ex-sleeper and three Heritage ex-baggage cars.

 

Oh -- if you haven't looked at On Track On Line's Amtrak Roster, it's my main source of information here.

 

 

As one of the moderators of the OTOL Forum I should point out that for those interested, the On Track On Line rosters can be found at http://on-track-on-l...ak-roster.shtml

Wow....what a great resource guys....thanks for posting!

 

So if I read it correctly, the only pre-Metroliner single level coaches still in use are those owned by North Carolina?   I believe the ex-KCS cars are considered the last new standard coaches built for any railroad....

 

 

They are the last single level coaches built I believe. And I think but don't quote me they might have some ex Union Pacific cars. They also own an observation car or used to but haven't operated in Raleigh yard

Yes! 
The NCDOT fleet consists of three groups:
The 1965 KCS Pullman fleet which never was Amtrak. 
The 1960/1964  UP St. Louis fleet which was Amtrak. 
The ~1953 Army St. Louis fleet some of which was Amtrak. 
Each fleet was rebuilt from a variety of different configurations, although they were all the same when built, and are largely the same today.



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Posted 13 February 2016 - 06:03 AM

I am looking at a photo of one of those KCS car interior's when new....do they still have those 'mosaic' tile floors in them?   (Kind of doubt that ;) ).....


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Posted 13 February 2016 - 07:59 AM

I'll be on one tomorrow, and will check it out! 

That said, I do know that they have been heavily rebuilt many times in the last 51 years. 






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