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#1 edjbox

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Posted 23 March 2015 - 08:48 PM

Since there is a topic for when viewliners will come on line, this topic will complement it in discussing which heritage cars are being retired. Anyone with any news please post here
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Posted 23 March 2015 - 09:09 PM

Baggage car 1234 is enroute to Beech Grove via the Capitol Limited right now. A couple other 1200 series cars have gone to Beech for storage in the past few weeks. Probably some others, too. Looks like 1756 is on 851 to IND today. 



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Posted 23 March 2015 - 09:11 PM

Copying and pasting from my post yesterday on RR.net trying to track the same thing: 

 

Considering that the Viewliner Baggage cars are said to be going into service tomorrow, I figured now is as good a time as any to start tracking the retirement of Heritage baggage cars. 
The Fleet as it stood prior to the ordering of the Viewliner fleet: (Italicized are the cars retired between 2009 and now. Active cars in bold. Some retirements may have slipped by me.)
 
1953 ATSF Budd baggage cars:
1159-1164, 1203-1204, 1206, 1211, 1212, 1216, 1221, 1234-1235, 1237, 1241-1242, 1245, 1247-1248, 1855, 1857
 
1955 ATSF ACF baggage cars:
1252, 1253, 1255, 1257, 1260
 
1957 ATSF Budd baggage cars: 
1230-1232, 1249
 
1957 Pullman Standard baggage cars:(ACL and NP respectively)  
1132, 1135
 
1950 SP Budd 44 Seat Coach conversions:
1709, 1754, 1760
 
1953 ATSF Budd 48 Seat Coach conversions:
1702-1703, 1705, 1707, 1708, 1710-1712, 1714-1717, 1720, 1750, 1761
 
1954 SP Budd 44 Seat Coach conversions:
1721, 1751-1753, 1755, 1762-1763
 
1961 UP Budd 44 Seat Coach conversions:
1701, 1730-1731, 1733-1736, 1738, 1756-1759
 
(Above comes from my notes, which rely heavily on Amtrak by the Numbers by Elbert Simon and David Warner, and the Wayner Car Spotters,in addition to the On-Track-On-Line website, and Passenger Train Annual 1988)


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Posted 23 March 2015 - 09:38 PM

Which baggage car was on the Carolinian?
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Posted 23 March 2015 - 11:12 PM

Surprised that Budd bags would be put out to pasture before the rattletrap coach conversions, but what do I know. (See username.)



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Posted 07 April 2015 - 11:21 AM

Which baggage car was on the Carolinian that was involved in the recent wreck? Looked like a converted baggage/mail to me but can't tell the number


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Posted 07 April 2015 - 11:34 AM

1755 iinm



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Posted 08 April 2015 - 07:03 AM

1755. It's still sitting along with E#185 in Rocky Mount.

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Posted 08 April 2015 - 08:49 AM

Surprised that Budd bags would be put out to pasture before the rattletrap coach conversions, but what do I know. (See username.)

It's probably a case of Amtrak moving to retire almost all of them over the course of a few months.  I count 71 baggage cars above, versus I believe 80 bags/bag-dorms Amtrak bought in the Viewliner II order (55+25 turned to 65+15 IIRC).  Honestly, Amtrak is probably going to move them all to Beech Grove and then evaluate which (if any) it wants to hold as spares/backups in the event that an issue arises with the Viewliner IIs over the next 2-3 years.


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Posted 08 April 2015 - 08:58 AM

 

Surprised that Budd bags would be put out to pasture before the rattletrap coach conversions, but what do I know. (See username.)

It's probably a case of Amtrak moving to retire almost all of them over the course of a few months.  I count 71 baggage cars above, versus I believe 80 bags/bag-dorms Amtrak bought in the Viewliner II order (55+25 turned to 65+15 IIRC).  Honestly, Amtrak is probably going to move them all to Beech Grove and then evaluate which (if any) it wants to hold as spares/backups in the event that an issue arises with the Viewliner IIs over the next 2-3 years.

 

 

Current order: 70 full baggage cars, 10 baggage-dorm cars, 25 diners, 25 sleepers.



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Posted 18 April 2015 - 10:20 PM

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 10:08 PM

With the many new viewliner ii baggage cars now in service which old baggage cars have been retired since the spring?
Amtrak: Acela Express, NE Regional/Regional, Crescent, China Railways: Jinghu Railway soft-sleeper overnight, Type 25Z AC commuter; Amtrak: Capitol Limited, Cardinal, Keystone, Pennsylvanian, Carolinian, Silver Star, Silver Meteor, Palmetto, Empire State, Pacific Surfliner, Coast Starlight. Defunct trains seen: Clocker, Metroliner, Three Rivers; China: China High Speed- Beijing to Shanghai HSL, other CRH trains; Intercity Train stations used: Newport News, Charlottesville, Richmond Staples Mill, Washington Union Station, BWI, Baltimore Penn, Wilmington, Philadelphia 30th St, Trenton NJ, Beijing Railway Station, Shanghai Railway Station, Nanjing Railway Station; Other Train stations visited- Williamsburg, Santa Barbara CA, Richmond main st, Princeton Jct, Grand Central Terminal; Commuter/Subway- SEPTA Frankford L, SEPTA Trenton Line (most recent 12/2012), Paris Metro, Beijing Subway; seen: NYC Subway, MARC, NJ Transit, SEPTA, PATCO, VRE, DC Metro

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Posted 22 September 2015 - 10:17 PM

Anyone know how many Viewliner II Baggage cars and Baggage dorms have been deployed to date?  On our last couple of trips we have only seen many Viewliner II Baggage cars and no Baggage dorms. When we left denver on Aug 9 the EB CZ arrived  delivering a Viewliner II to Denver Union Station. We departed and the Baggage car remained on the far siding. We had no idea what this was all about but again we saw these cars on various Amtrak trains at that time.



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Posted 22 September 2015 - 10:50 PM

57 baggage cars have been delivered. 0 bag-dorms. I believe they are in service on all Eastern trains and the Empire Builder.


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Posted 23 September 2015 - 10:49 PM

Anyone know how many Viewliner II Baggage cars and Baggage dorms have been deployed to date?  On our last couple of trips we have only seen many Viewliner II Baggage cars and no Baggage dorms. When we left denver on Aug 9 the EB CZ arrived  delivering a Viewliner II to Denver Union Station. We departed and the Baggage car remained on the far siding. We had no idea what this was all about but again we saw these cars on various Amtrak trains at that time.


You would and will know when the m
Bag dorms are released.

Delivered a VL II for training most likely.
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Posted 23 September 2015 - 11:37 PM

There's actually something slightly odd going on. There are enough Viewliner baggage cars delivered (57) to support all the trains with baggage cars (required: 51 if I'm not mistaken) plus spares. The Sunset, Chief, Zephyr, and Starlight are still using Heritage baggage cars, which is *18*. That seems really high given the number of Viewliner baggage cars available.

Maybe there's something else going on: not all the crews successfully trained on the new cars yet, or a very large number of cars out of service for mods at any given time, or something.
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Posted 24 September 2015 - 06:33 AM

I think a few of them (heritage bags) are used on trains w/o baggage service in the Midwest to bring some short consists up to minimum length required by one of the host railroads. CN comes to mind, but I might have that wrong. The number of bags in use can exceed the number of bags required for baggage service. The real number is how many are released for service, not delivered,  since a bunch are still being used for training, and not all have been released from Hialeah.


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Posted 24 September 2015 - 07:27 AM

R30A should have the numbers. BTW, I believe you can add 1762, 1731 and 1232 your existing count, R30a.

 

Additionally, not all delivered bags have been accepted for service at this time and mods are still underway on some of the accepted bags.


Edited by Thirdrail7, 24 September 2015 - 08:38 AM.

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 12:22 PM

57 baggage cars have been delivered. 0 bag-dorms. I believe they are in service on all Eastern trains and the Empire Builder.


I believe they're also in service on the Capitol Ltd. At least I see one on the Superliner trainset setting in the Ivy City yard every morning on the way to work.

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Posted 24 September 2015 - 12:25 PM

Baggage car 1234 is enroute to Beech Grove via the Capitol Limited right now.

 

I saw a derelict on the back of what I presume was the CL as I was boarding the south bound Illinois Zephyr in Chicago yesterday.  But how would that get it to Beach Grove?






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