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Posted 03 May 2014 - 01:59 AM

I think such a small station may have to do with the low amount of schedules for Seattle. Greyhound operates less runs on the Seattle-Portland route than Amtrak or its own BoltBus. They used to have lots more runs, but presumably G4500's caused plummeting ridership, Seattle is currently one of the lowest-rated Greyhound stations, if not THE lowest.

 

It's also no match for Greyhound's other newly-constructed stations, like Sacramento, Memphis, Nashivlle, and planned stations for Jacksonville, Baltimore, etc. Now San Francisco's temporary station is tiny but it's just temporary.


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Posted 03 May 2014 - 02:19 AM

Seattle is currently one of the lowest-rated Greyhound stations, if not THE lowest.

Who exactly is rating the stations? Is there a list of these ratings?



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Posted 03 May 2014 - 07:30 PM

 

Seattle is currently one of the lowest-rated Greyhound stations, if not THE lowest.

Who exactly is rating the stations? Is there a list of these ratings?

 

 

Ever read Greyhound reviews? Most reviews are low, but reviews from Seattle are the lowest, followed by others in G4500 territory. Sacramento used to have terrible reviews, but ratings have shot up since the G4500 got oussted.


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 01:47 AM

No I don't really sit around reading passenger reviews of Greyhound from different cities... but I imagine it might be good for a couple of laughs.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 02:41 AM

No I don't really sit around reading passenger reviews of Greyhound from different cities... but I imagine it might be good for a couple of laughs.

 

Yes sir, good for a couple of laughs. But you know Greyhound Seattle has been getting the short end of the stick since 2005.


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 04:41 AM

 

No I don't really sit around reading passenger reviews of Greyhound from different cities... but I imagine it might be good for a couple of laughs.

 

Yes sir, good for a couple of laughs. But you know Greyhound Seattle has been getting the short end of the stick since 2005.

 

 

Sounds like there's a commercial in there "Greyhound Seattle.  Getting the short end of the stick since 2005." [/announcer voice]



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 10:54 AM

So for my morning laughs I did as you suggested and went to Yelp and looked up Greyhound in Seattle.

 

1) A lot of complaints about the station (dumpy, ghetto, dirty, ratty, grim) which seem to be warranted from my step inside. Greyhound has basically stopped spending any money on maintaining the current station. Hopefully the new station will make a slightly better impression.

 

2) Praise for the new buses, complaints about the unpredictability of them ("The quality of the buses was definitely varied. Some were old and had no wi-fi or plugs. One had plush leather seats, wi-fi, and plugs, the whole shebang.") Again, this will change over the next few years (although as I walked by the old station yesterday it was nothing but old buses.)

 

3) Honestly, the funniest part of the reviews are people talking about fellow passengers (transient, smelly, loud, hippy chick, scared youngster). This is honestly the complaint I've heard about Greyhound most often. I'm not sure there's much the company can do to change this part of their image. They could demand that all passengers show a valid ID to board a bus... but that could alienate a portion of their passengers (and the money those passengers spend.)

 

4) A lot of the passengers love to slam Greyhound... but praise BoltBus. It's amazing what a can of red paint can do for a Greyhound bus. 



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Posted 04 May 2014 - 06:53 PM

Ricky, I agree with #1, you might as well not maintain an old falling-apart station when the move is imminent. As for #2, the Seattle fleet could be rebuilt by the end of 2014, because Greyhound still needs to replace their spare buses (C2045's, 102D3', Viaggio's, Multego's, etc) if they want to hit their stated goal of an "Elite Fleet" by 2016.

 

For #3, they already demand a valid photo ID for every passenger, except the driver doesn't always it. Seattle has Greyhound's worst drivers because the good drivers apprently resigned en masse after they got angry at smelling burning-plastic G4500's. It wasn't that hard for them to get another job, rumors have it that some Seattle drivers switched to Greyhound Canada Vancouver, which is DL3 territory. Something similar happened with Los Angeles, which was also G4500 territory until October 2013.

 

Now take a look at those passengers described, transient and loud are going to get kicked off the bus by a good driver. Remember good drivers make do on threats and drivers can choose to kick any passenger out on their own volition. Smelly? Maybe it was because the G4500's smell bad, not the passengers, the HVAC is supposed to cycle air every two minutes. Hippy chick and scared youngster? They're not going to harm you.

 

And finally for #4, well the rebuilt G4500 might actually be better than Bolt's X3-45's, since the seats don't sag. So just wait for those to come up, the D4505's really boosted Sacramento reviews after the G4500's got ousted. But yes, the easiest way to increase value of a house is a fresh paint job.

 

It's obvious that the reason Greyhound neglected Seattle is due to poor profits and low ridership, the worst in the nation, which caused heavy route cuts. So I will venture to say that, since Greyhound's biggest demographic is historically African-American, the low black population in Seattle may have supressed ridership. Then again, Whitehorse gets DL3's even though they don't have much blacks at all. No offense intended, but you can't deny that racial prejudice exists in this country.


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Posted 17 May 2014 - 02:22 PM

Greyhound's old station has a sign up that announces that they will be making the move to the new station in SoDo on Wednesday, May 21st.

I stopped by the new station today and it's mostly ready. The fences are down and most of the signage is up in the station. The only thing that is missing is the "Greyhound" logotype over the entrance, a sign in front of the station and seating for passengers inside the station (which they may be transferring from the old station.)
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Posted 17 May 2014 - 05:28 PM

Hmm, I believe 21 May is the 100th Anniversary for Greyhound.


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Posted 20 May 2014 - 11:04 AM

My interest was piqued by the statement that the old station was built as a railway station. It took me a while to dig up the history of the old station. This "Central Station" is listed on most maps as the "Interurban Depot"; it was the station for the Seattle-Everett electric interurban streetcar line.

Sadly I haven't dug up maps of the Seattle-area interurbans. (My favorite series of railroad atlases is quite deficient on this matter.)

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Posted 20 May 2014 - 11:31 AM

Sadly I haven't dug up maps of the Seattle-area interurbans. (My favorite series of railroad atlases is quite deficient on this matter.)

There's a map at this HistoryLink article and another one herealthough neither are very detailed. Here's a better one, but the print is pretty small.

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There are a couple of good books on the trolleys of the region: To Seattle by Trolley and To Tacoma by Trolley, both by Warren Wing. There's also a book called Apple Country Interurban by Kenneth Johnson, about the interurbans of Yakima (outlined in this HistoryLink article by some clown named C Hamilton :) )


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Posted 20 May 2014 - 08:24 PM

Wow, that doesn't seem like a well-planned interurban, it just seemed to go around the population and detour through the woods. I thought it would've run along Pacific Highway/Aurora Ave.


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Posted 20 May 2014 - 10:23 PM

Aurora Avenue didn't exist in its current configuration until the 1930s.


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Posted 20 May 2014 - 11:08 PM

That makes sense now. Thanks.


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Posted 21 May 2014 - 02:59 AM

So while writing a story on the new station at work today I found out a little bit more:
The building has free Wi-Fi for passengers.
The waiting area has a bunch of power outlets along the wall. During the grand opening ceremonies none of the bench seating was in place, but it looked like the power outlets will sit right above the seat backs. Neat idea!
The station will have a self-serve convenience store. These are really popular here in Seattle. They have a much better selection than vending machines and you scan and pay for your items at an automated kiosk. Security cameras deter theft.

Also, Greyhound brought in a brand-new D4505 for the occasion. No joke, this thing looked like it had been washed and waxed for the occasion.

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Posted 21 May 2014 - 05:31 PM

A brand-new D4505? Greyhound didn't take delivery of another batch, so it shouldn't be that new. Also, they just took more X3-45's, now the numbers are up to 86689. That's a lot of Prevosts!


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Posted 22 May 2014 - 12:16 AM

A brand-new D4505? Greyhound didn't take delivery of another batch, so it shouldn't be that new. Also, they just took more X3-45's, now the numbers are up to 86689. That's a lot of Prevosts!

 
Well I guess I'm using a bit more loose definition of "brand-new" than you. Looked it up online and it was one of the last D4505's delivered in 2013... so about 6 months old. That's a lot newer than the 12+ year old G4500's that Greyhound normally uses in Seattle.

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Posted 22 May 2014 - 12:16 AM

Today was the first day of operations at the new Greyhound Depot in Sodo... and there was a ton of Greyhound employees there. Probably managers there to make sure that there were no hiccups.

In the past couple of days the crews put the final touches on the station... including all the Greyhound signage and I must admit that it looks nice.

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This picture shows how close the new station is to the Link Light Rail Stadium station.

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I was also able to go inside the station in snap a few pictures. The first picture is pretty blurry but the ticket counter looks really nice. The back wall is glossy blue tiles and the running dog had blue LED lights behind it that reflected onto the tile.

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The waiting room with some TV's and a few vending machines (the rumors of a self serve convince store seems to not be true.)

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The 2 boarding gates and the arrivals door. The station agents were allowing folks to sit on the seats outside (lovely weather here in Seattle today!)

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The seats in the waiting room complete with power outlets (and I'm told free Wi-Fi).

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The Greyhound Package Express office.

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Must admit this sign is a bit unsettling...

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My thoughts overall?

This station is in a good location in terms of access to public transportation and has really easy access to I-5 & I-90.

The station itself is a really utilitarian... I guess it's a nice enough place to wait for a few minutes but I can't escape the feeling that it will feel really run-down in a few years from now.

 


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Posted 22 May 2014 - 01:08 AM

Ricky, there's something very complicated going on with Greyhound right now, and I think we should discuss it on the Greyhound thread, because it involves huge schedule changed nationwide.


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