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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:41 AM

The human back isn't designed for sleeping sitting up.

Furthermore, the reason I don't drive long distances where I take a bus is because I have tiredness and falling asleep issues. I have never found something more comfortable than the seat in my car. In fact, my computer chair which I made myself is a seat out of a 1987 Peugeot 505. If you find car seats uncomfortable, your driving the wrong car. Either that or your anatomy is wonky.
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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:21 AM


 

You could not be more wrong on that, Greyhound is re-focusing on long-distance trips again, precisely to compete against LD car-trippers. Greyhound has reintroduced many long-distance routes, like New York-Miami, New York-Atlanta, Chicago-Dallas, Amarillo-San Antonio, etc.
 

 

 

I'll yield to your superior knowledge of Greyhound, and it's nice to know they're planning shorter layovers (though I think if I was traveling across country I'd prefer a 2 or 3 hour layover to a 30 minute layover, provided it wasn't in the middle of the night).  But from a marketing standpoint, if you go to their website you just see mention of a bunch of disconnected corridor/short-haul type services. At the same time, they've abandoned large sections of the American interior. That's why I was under the impression that they've de-emphasized long-haul travel.



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 06:17 PM

 


 

You could not be more wrong on that, Greyhound is re-focusing on long-distance trips again, precisely to compete against LD car-trippers. Greyhound has reintroduced many long-distance routes, like New York-Miami, New York-Atlanta, Chicago-Dallas, Amarillo-San Antonio, etc.
 

 

 

I'll yield to your superior knowledge of Greyhound, and it's nice to know they're planning shorter layovers (though I think if I was traveling across country I'd prefer a 2 or 3 hour layover to a 30 minute layover, provided it wasn't in the middle of the night).  But from a marketing standpoint, if you go to their website you just see mention of a bunch of disconnected corridor/short-haul type services. At the same time, they've abandoned large sections of the American interior. That's why I was under the impression that they've de-emphasized long-haul travel.

 

 

Reason for that was due to bad reputation, low-cost airlines, and the G4500 disaster. All those caused ridership on LD routes to plummet. The G4500 was supposed to be Greyhound's primary LD bus, but that plan backfired and (figuratively) passengers jumped out of burning G4500's in North Dakota.

 

Just as I wrote that Greyhound's servicing/light maintenance is done in West Seattle I watched a Greyhound bus come off the Alaskan Way Viaduct making its way from West Seattle to the station in Downtown Seattle.

 

It was a refurbished G4500 (#7202) and the headsign said Missoula, MT. So doing a little research that means it's schedule 1276 which departs Seattle at 23:30. That bus I just saw would arrive at the Seattle Greyhound station at 23:15... so just 15 minutes to pick up passengers and go. That is an impressively short dwell time!

 

There's plenty of room to store buses at the Greyhound station in Downtown Seattle so maybe they're testing out these short dwells to prepare drivers for operations at the new station in SODO.

 

Also it wouldn't be "Grey Line of Seattle" anymore.... the name was changed to Horizon Coach Lines of Seattle back in 2009. But it seems Horizon has pulled out of Seattle (the city is no longer listed on the companies website, except for a dead link).

 

Greyhound may have bought the lot from Horizon in preparation for this move to SODO.

 

Why would they buy the lot from Horizon? They already store buses at Portland at Vancouver. This seems peculiar to me. Anyway, since Horizon pulled out of Seattle, that explains why so many of their buses are for sale. Anyone wanna buy a used bus, they've got pleanty in Seattle and Las Vegas.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 06:24 PM

The human back isn't designed for sleeping sitting up.

Furthermore, the reason I don't drive long distances where I take a bus is because I have tiredness and falling asleep issues. I have never found something more comfortable than the seat in my car. In fact, my computer chair which I made myself is a seat out of a 1987 Peugeot 505. If you find car seats uncomfortable, your driving the wrong car. Either that or your anatomy is wonky.

 

I said cars smell bad, that's what I said. Cars and Amtrak both smell worse than Greyhound. I've never ridden a good-smelling car, FYI. And I don't think cars are comfortable, because their interior is too small. If you think cars are comfortable, then it's because you're a car fan vouching for cars. I can't blame you 'cause I'm a bus fan vouching for Greyhound.

 

This debate isn't going anywhere because there's a diehard car fan arguing a diehard bus fan. Now at least I drive a car every weekday since transit in Reno is too slow. But you seem to no ride any Greyhound buses. I do both and you only do one. So again, let's agree to disagree.

 

And you want to sleep flat on Greyhound? Take over a seat pair, put a mat on the seat, fold up the middle armrest, and sleep flat on the seat bottoms just like that. The seat bottom could be dirty, that's why you need a mat, and a pillow too.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 06:46 PM

And you want to sleep flat on Greyhound? Take over a seat pair, put a mat on the seat, fold up the middle armrest, and sleep flat on the seat bottoms just like that. The seat bottom could be dirty, that's why you need a mat, and a pillow too.

 

Yeah, no. I can't imagine anyone over about 4' or so (if that) being able to lie truly flat on a Greyhound bus (unless they get lucky and can command the back row of seats to themselves, and even then they may not be able to.)


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:07 PM


The human back isn't designed for sleeping sitting up.

Furthermore, the reason I don't drive long distances where I take a bus is because I have tiredness and falling asleep issues. I have never found something more comfortable than the seat in my car. In fact, my computer chair which I made myself is a seat out of a 1987 Peugeot 505. If you find car seats uncomfortable, your driving the wrong car. Either that or your anatomy is wonky.

 
I said cars smell bad, that's what I said. Cars and Amtrak both smell worse than Greyhound. I've never ridden a good-smelling car, FYI. And I don't think cars are comfortable, because their interior is too small. If you think cars are comfortable, then it's because you're a car fan vouching for cars. I can't blame you 'cause I'm a bus fan vouching for Greyhound.
 
This debate isn't going anywhere because there's a diehard car fan arguing a diehard bus fan. Now at least I drive a car every weekday since transit in Reno is too slow. But you seem to no ride any Greyhound buses. I do both and you only do one. So again, let's agree to disagree.
 
And you want to sleep flat on Greyhound? Take over a seat pair, put a mat on the seat, fold up the middle armrest, and sleep flat on the seat bottoms just like that. The seat bottom could be dirty, that's why you need a mat, and a pillow too.

I'm not a diehard car fan. Do you read my posts?

Every car I owned had plenty of space for my 5'9" 375 lb frame. Most bus seats are far too narrow. Wait, I exclude from that statement, in right of honesty, my Porsche 912 was a tad tight. None of my Benzes have ever been, nor my friends Volvos, nor my mothers Audi, or even, though I found it awfully uncomfortable and a bad smelling piece of crap, my dad's Accord.

I'd think you'd like the smell of most of my Benzes. They smelled of diesel fuel mixed lightly with horsehair.
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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:25 PM

Guess what? You guys don't like Greyhound, so be it. I like Greyhound and I'll ride Greyhound. You ride whatever you want to ride, but my car sucks and Amtrak isn't great either, so I won't ride them. As I said before, we'll agree to disagree.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:31 PM

When did I EVER said I don't like Greyhound? Ever?

I'd like sleeper busses. I don't recall throwing a greyhound comdemnAtion in with that.
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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:35 PM

When did I EVER said I don't like Greyhound? Ever?

I'd like sleeper busses. I don't recall throwing a greyhound comdemnAtion in with that.

 

Wow GML, have fun throwing rocks at a statue. Except throwing rocks at a statue still gets you arrested.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:37 PM

Swadian, why set you even on this forum. You've said numerous times that you don't like Amtrak.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:40 PM

Guess what? You guys don't like Greyhound, so be it. I like Greyhound and I'll ride Greyhound. You ride whatever you want to ride, but my car sucks and Amtrak isn't great either, so I won't ride them. As I said before, we'll agree to disagree.

Just out of curiousity, how does calling out the fact that using two seats on Greyhound is not the same as a sleeper bed make me not like Greyhound? I thought it was just stating the facts of the matter...while two seats are nice on a bus (and I'll often buy two seats when riding intercity bus services to have both to myself) it is nowhere near a "lie-flat" bed. Not even close.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:37 PM

 

BTW, my car smells very bad, even though I try to keep it as clean as possible, like not eating in it, picking up trash, etc. That's why I always ask what this bus or that train smells like.

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I would suggest that you go to an auto parts store, and purchase a special spray that you use to kill mold and bacteria in your car's air conditioning system--a common cause of odor's that are not coming from car's upholstery or carpet....


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 11:52 PM

 

When Greyhound starts offering Sleeper busses with actual bunks and blankets, we can compare it to the same farchakta image of what appears to be a rebuilt 102D3 you've shown in the past three links.

In the meanwhile, I, with my bad back, will refuse to compare a greyhound seat, even if it is an Amaya VIP, with a berth.

 

I actually don't like sleeping fully-flat sometimes, I would rather sleep in a seat, that's in a bus, not a train.

 

I've slept on sleeper buses in China, oh you don't want to ride in those! Would rather ride a seated bus even though the King Long and Yaxing coaches have terrible legroom and ride rough.

 

BTW, you can make a DL3 sleeper bus: http://tulsaskiclub....leeperbuses.htm. The design isn't that great I think, that one can only sleep 20 pax comfortably but thay want to squeeze in 40? And they need bigger dividers. But since the DL3 has the more spacious cross-section in bus history, it's not a bad idea.

 

Of course Greyhound wouldn't do that, because buses are not good at sleeper ops, they earn much more money with no more than 2-2 VIP seats. And VIP or PT seats should be fine for a 12-hour daytime ride. If you're toruing, you're supposed to sleep in a hotel every 12 hours! That way you miss no scenery!

 

When I was with Continental Trailways in Denver, back in the late 1970's, I used to see everyweek during the ski season, one or two of our Eagle buses that were converted to sleeper's, just like the MCI you have pictured in the link.  They came up to the ski area's from Oklahoma or Wichita on Friday night, and returned on Sunday night, giving the "slope-dopes" all day Saturday and Sunday to ski, and not miss any of their work week.

I will say that the seats in the daytime position were very uncomfortable to sit in, as there wasn't any contour or recline to their flat upright backs, but fortunately, most of the trip was overnite, with the seats converted to beds...similar to the way the seats in a Superliner Roomette convert....

And yes....you had to be 'very friendly' with your seatmate to share the bunk at night if occupied by two per bunk to yield the 40 passengers.....since the bus was ran as a charter, and not a public schedule...the passenger's were part of a club that knew each other, already..


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Posted 01 May 2014 - 01:08 AM

Why would they buy the lot from Horizon? They already store buses at Portland at Vancouver. This seems peculiar to me.


Like I said... Greyhound used to have a large servicing and maintenance facility in Seattle at Denny and Stewart but the land has been sold and the building demolished. But the company needed a facility to do routine servicing between runs. They're not gonna send a bus back to Portland or Vancouver with an empty gas tank and full trash cans.

Grey Line/Horizon had the land already... so Greyhound paid them to let them use the facility. Now that Horizon is leaving Seattle I'm guessing Greyhound will buy that lot from them.

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 11:02 PM

 

Guess what? You guys don't like Greyhound, so be it. I like Greyhound and I'll ride Greyhound. You ride whatever you want to ride, but my car sucks and Amtrak isn't great either, so I won't ride them. As I said before, we'll agree to disagree.

Just out of curiousity, how does calling out the fact that using two seats on Greyhound is not the same as a sleeper bed make me not like Greyhound? I thought it was just stating the facts of the matter...while two seats are nice on a bus (and I'll often buy two seats when riding intercity bus services to have both to myself) it is nowhere near a "lie-flat" bed. Not even close.

 

 

I was directing comments at GML, not you. And since I don't sleep well on a flat bed in a bus, plus it causes trouble with seat belt and ADA regulations, and even more, it loses money for the bus operator, you can see I have absolutely no reason to support any kind of flat bed on a bus.

 

Swadian, why set you even on this forum. You've said numerous times that you don't like Amtrak.

 

The reason is very simple: I like trains, but I don't like Amtrak.

 

 

 

BTW, my car smells very bad, even though I try to keep it as clean as possible, like not eating in it, picking up trash, etc. That's why I always ask what this bus or that train smells like.

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I would suggest that you go to an auto parts store, and purchase a special spray that you use to kill mold and bacteria in your car's air conditioning system--a common cause of odor's that are not coming from car's upholstery or carpet....

 

 

I've got not idea, the upholstry is already bad. You can clean upholstry, but it'll still smell bad.

 

 

Why would they buy the lot from Horizon? They already store buses at Portland at Vancouver. This seems peculiar to me.


Like I said... Greyhound used to have a large servicing and maintenance facility in Seattle at Denny and Stewart but the land has been sold and the building demolished. But the company needed a facility to do routine servicing between runs. They're not gonna send a bus back to Portland or Vancouver with an empty gas tank and full trash cans.

Grey Line/Horizon had the land already... so Greyhound paid them to let them use the facility. Now that Horizon is leaving Seattle I'm guessing Greyhound will buy that lot from them.

 

 

OK, I get that. But how do they do it in places Missoula, without driving around with full trash cans?

 

 

 

When Greyhound starts offering Sleeper busses with actual bunks and blankets, we can compare it to the same farchakta image of what appears to be a rebuilt 102D3 you've shown in the past three links.

In the meanwhile, I, with my bad back, will refuse to compare a greyhound seat, even if it is an Amaya VIP, with a berth.

 

I actually don't like sleeping fully-flat sometimes, I would rather sleep in a seat, that's in a bus, not a train.

 

I've slept on sleeper buses in China, oh you don't want to ride in those! Would rather ride a seated bus even though the King Long and Yaxing coaches have terrible legroom and ride rough.

 

BTW, you can make a DL3 sleeper bus: http://tulsaskiclub....leeperbuses.htm. The design isn't that great I think, that one can only sleep 20 pax comfortably but thay want to squeeze in 40? And they need bigger dividers. But since the DL3 has the more spacious cross-section in bus history, it's not a bad idea.

 

Of course Greyhound wouldn't do that, because buses are not good at sleeper ops, they earn much more money with no more than 2-2 VIP seats. And VIP or PT seats should be fine for a 12-hour daytime ride. If you're touring, you're supposed to sleep in a hotel every 12 hours! That way you miss no scenery!

 

When I was with Continental Trailways in Denver, back in the late 1970's, I used to see everyweek during the ski season, one or two of our Eagle buses that were converted to sleeper's, just like the MCI you have pictured in the link.  They came up to the ski area's from Oklahoma or Wichita on Friday night, and returned on Sunday night, giving the "slope-dopes" all day Saturday and Sunday to ski, and not miss any of their work week.

I will say that the seats in the daytime position were very uncomfortable to sit in, as there wasn't any contour or recline to their flat upright backs, but fortunately, most of the trip was overnite, with the seats converted to beds...similar to the way the seats in a Superliner Roomette convert....

And yes....you had to be 'very friendly' with your seatmate to share the bunk at night if occupied by two per bunk to yield the 40 passengers.....since the bus was ran as a charter, and not a public schedule...the passenger's were part of a club that knew each other, already..

 

 

See? Railiner has explained excatly why I'm totally against scheduled sleeper buses. They can't be used in the daytime, and they're hard to maintain. As mentioned above, they also cause complications with seat belts and ADA. Now at least that was an Eagle, if you go to China and ride a King Long sleeper bus in the upper berth, you will NEVER say "yes" to a sleeper bus again!


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 05:55 AM

Why not take a look at the Megabus Gold service I mentioned instead of relating irrelevancies, ignoring personal messages, and attacking the idea of a service you personally don't want to use?
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Posted 02 May 2014 - 12:51 PM

Something that Megabus Gold has going for it is that the seats actually look comfortable in the daytime configuration. It appears that the bottom berth uses those seat cushions to create surface for a mattress (like the lower berth in an Amtrak roomette) while the upper berth is like a hammock. It's also nice that each group of passengers gets a separate "section" with 2 or 4 seats during the daytime. Van Hool says the bus seats 55 during the day and can sleep 42 (a traditional MegaBus double decker seats 81). There are some nice pictures posted on this news release.

Looking at the picture of the 102DL3 that Swadian posted... those seats look horrible.

As far as to these sleeper buses "not making money"... looking at a trip from London to Aberdeen next Friday, a ticket on a traditional Megabus route is £12 ($20 US) while an overnight trip on Megabus Gold is £30 ($51 US). So they're charging a pretty big premium to recoup the costs of having fewer passengers per bus and paying an attendant to serve drinks/snacks and do the turndown service.

But again, you would need the right market for an overnight sleeper bus to work here in the US.

Edited by rickycourtney, 02 May 2014 - 03:13 PM.


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Posted 02 May 2014 - 06:01 PM

Back to the original topic...

I stopped by the new station site earlier today and more signage is going up now. The Greyhound running dog logo is up over the front door (no Greyhound lettering yet) and a small Greyhound Package Express sign over the side door. Out in the bus loading area the slip number signs are up (as I guessed, there will be just 4 slips) as is a "Welcome to Seattle, WA" sign. On the east side of the station there is another Greyhound running dog logo.
 

The landscaping is also mostly installed at this point... and it looks really nice. Nice to have a little green in this very industrial part of town.

 

Parking will be incredibly limited at this new station. In the tiny lot in front of the station there are 4 spots marked for 1 hour parking (I think at least 2 of these spots will be dedicated to Greyhound Package Express). In small parking lot across the street from the station there are 3 spots for taxi's to wait, 6 spots dedicated to employee parking and 6 spots for 30 minute customer parking.

You also may have noticed that huge piece of artwork behind the station. That's Susan Zoccola's Bloom. She actually fought the placement of the Greyhound station here... saying it obstructed too much of the artwork. Here's an article on her fight from 2012.

Greyhound has done a pretty good job keeping much of the piece exposed... and I think it actually gives the station a really classy look.

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Posted 02 May 2014 - 07:16 PM

Parking at the Reno station is a bit better, but you don't want to park there because the city charges parking fees and there's vandals all over the place. So I always need someone to drop me off or take the slow transit bus.
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Posted 03 May 2014 - 12:37 AM

Back to the original topic...

I stopped by the new station site earlier today and more signage is going up now. The Greyhound running dog logo is up over the front door (no Greyhound lettering yet) and a small Greyhound Package Express sign over the side door. Out in the bus loading area the slip number signs are up (as I guessed, there will be just 4 slips) as is a "Welcome to Seattle, WA" sign. On the east side of the station there is another Greyhound running dog logo.
 

The landscaping is also mostly installed at this point... and it looks really nice. Nice to have a little green in this very industrial part of town.

 

Parking will be incredibly limited at this new station. In the tiny lot in front of the station there are 4 spots marked for 1 hour parking (I think at least 2 of these spots will be dedicated to Greyhound Package Express). In small parking lot across the street from the station there are 3 spots for taxi's to wait, 6 spots dedicated to employee parking and 6 spots for 30 minute customer parking.

You also may have noticed that huge piece of artwork behind the station. That's Susan Zoccola's Bloom. She actually fought the placement of the Greyhound station here... saying it obstructed too much of the artwork. Here's an article on her fight from 2012.

Greyhound has done a pretty good job keeping much of the piece exposed... and I think it actually gives the station a really classy look.

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Thanks for posting those updated photo's.....I will have to reserve judgement until I actually see the new terminal myself, but from what I have seen so far, well.......I'm not very impressed.   It looks more like what I would expect from a city of about  a quarter, perhaps, of Seattle's size.

I guess I was comparing it to what Greyhound was producing in the era around 1970, when they were opening new 'palaces' at a rate of one-a-month, nationwide.  Terminal's like the one's in Columbus, Indianapolis, St. Louis, Kansas City, etc.....(the latter two have since been replaced by newer, smaller ones....)

Those days when Greyhound clearly dominated nationwide bus travel are 'gone with the wind'.

I suppose I should be glad that they are at least having a terminal for their passenger's comfort, rather than loading them at some curbside location, depending on nearby businesses to provide shelter....


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