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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:47 AM

And a big plus is unlike Amtrak it is unreserved! This attracts spontaneous travel, and I believe, unlike Amtrak no yield management which also encourages spontaneous travel.



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Posted 21 July 2013 - 09:03 AM

Does it stop in Sandwich?


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 09:07 AM

Just wondering, is this the longest route of an MBTA train?    Any others come close?

 

I'm interested too, what's the world's longest commuter rail ine? As in a freuqent rush-hour service to serve commuters, with much less service in the middle of the day.

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If you mean non-Amtrak, as arguably the NEC has a few long distance commuters over portions, as well as other routes, such as the Keystone, I would say in the US, that 'honor' might go to the LIRR's Montauk line, at about 120 miles.....

Somehow, I posted incorrectly, and can't figure out how to add my comments to S H's separately....


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 09:27 AM

Does it stop in Sandwich?
Stops only at Middleborough, Buzzards Bay and Hyannis TC. So it appears not, since Sandwich is between Buzzards Bay and Hyannis.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 10:28 AM

I doubt it can be expanded much further onto the Cape. As said beyond Hyannis, the former rail bed is unusable as a railroad, and the easternmost portion of the Cape (to Provincetown) has a 2 lane road and very little extra room available.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

That is why buses were invented :)

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 06:56 PM

Just wondering, is this the longest route of an MBTA train?    Any others come close?

 

I'm interested too, what's the world's longest commuter rail ine? As in a freuqent rush-hour service to serve commuters, with much less service in the middle of the day.

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If you mean non-Amtrak, as arguably the NEC has a few long distance commuters over portions, as well as other routes, such as the Keystone, I would say in the US, that 'honor' might go to the LIRR's Montauk line, at about 120 miles.....

Somehow, I posted incorrectly, and can't figure out how to add my comments to S H's separately....

 

That Montauk is pretty long. Does anyone know if there's some longer lines in foreign contries? I presume the UK and Japan both have some. Germany's S-Bahn was pretty long too. I don't think Deutsch Bahn's RegioExpress.

 

That is why buses were invented :)

 

Does the Plymouth & Brockton run further up the Cape?


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:27 AM

http://www.p-b.com/s...DF Schedule.pdf   Yup.....all the way to P-town....go to page 2 of the pdf....


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 07:07 AM

 
That Montauk is pretty long. Does anyone know if there's some longer lines in foreign contries? I presume the UK and Japan both have some. Germany's S-Bahn was pretty long too. I don't think Deutsch Bahn's RegioExpress.

That question is ambiguous, since there is no clear definition of what is "Commuter" in other countries. If anything that is not intercity express service is commuter then there are many that are way longer than 120 miles elsewhere. Why wouldn't one consider DB's RegioExpress to be Commuter?

For that matter is going to seaside resorts exactly commuter travel? Is Montauk service really a commuter service?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 05:49 PM

 
That Montauk is pretty long. Does anyone know if there's some longer lines in foreign contries? I presume the UK and Japan both have some. Germany's S-Bahn was pretty long too. I don't think Deutsch Bahn's RegioExpress.
 
That question is ambiguous, since there is no clear definition of what is "Commuter" in other countries. If anything that is not intercity express service is commuter then there are many that are way longer than 120 miles elsewhere. Why wouldn't one consider DB's RegioExpress to be Commuter?

For that matter is going to seaside resorts exactly commuter travel? Is Montauk service really a commuter service?

 

I know it's really hard to answer. I was just curious, but it's not all that important practically. I don't think the RegioExpress is exactly a commuter train because the RegioBahn is supposed to be the classic hub-and-spoke commuter train and the S-Bahn is kinda a interurban on the main line.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:16 PM

But then what do you do when Regio trains run as S routes like they do in Berlin? E.g. S1 from Magdeburg to Frankfurt (Oder) through Berlin?



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:39 PM

Just wondering, is this the longest route of an MBTA train?    Any others come close?

 

I'm interested too, what's the world's longest commuter rail ine? As in a freuqent rush-hour service to serve commuters, with much less service in the middle of the day.

 

Railcars? No, looks like just the one or perhaps even a few cars has special stick on wrap, just like other advertizing wraps one sees from time to time. The second car in that train appears to be standard MBTA livery

 

So, it's like a big decal or transit advertising wrap? Maybe they will peel it off after the inauguration and just run at as a regular MBTA service.

After the inaugural run of the service?  It's been running since Memorial Day weekend.  Or do you mean after the inaugural year/summer of service?

 

And, it's not a regular MBTA service, it's more of a CCRTA service (or partnership between MBTA and CCRTA).

 

Eh, never mind.

 

 

 

 
That Montauk is pretty long. Does anyone know if there's some longer lines in foreign contries? I presume the UK and Japan both have some. Germany's S-Bahn was pretty long too. I don't think Deutsch Bahn's RegioExpress.
 
That question is ambiguous, since there is no clear definition of what is "Commuter" in other countries. If anything that is not intercity express service is commuter then there are many that are way longer than 120 miles elsewhere. Why wouldn't one consider DB's RegioExpress to be Commuter?

For that matter is going to seaside resorts exactly commuter travel? Is Montauk service really a commuter service?

I'll try this response again.....

Is Montak service really a commuter service? 

Well lets see....The LIRR is a commuter railroad.  It operates commuter equipment.  It sells commutation type tickets.  And for much of the Montauk line, it fits Swadian's definition of:  "as in a frequent 'rush-hour' service to serve commuters, with much less service in the middle of the day"...

well, if it looks like a duck...quacks like a duck....etc :P


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:52 PM

But then what do you do when Regio trains run as S routes like they do in Berlin? E.g. S1 from Magdeburg to Frankfurt (Oder) through Berlin?

 

Yes, the German train mushups. I am familiar with that, and I admit it's too hard to define what RegioExpress is.

 

Just wondering, is this the longest route of an MBTA train?    Any others come close?

 

I'm interested too, what's the world's longest commuter rail ine? As in a freuqent rush-hour service to serve commuters, with much less service in the middle of the day.

 

Railcars? No, looks like just the one or perhaps even a few cars has special stick on wrap, just like other advertizing wraps one sees from time to time. The second car in that train appears to be standard MBTA livery

 

So, it's like a big decal or transit advertising wrap? Maybe they will peel it off after the inauguration and just run at as a regular MBTA service.

After the inaugural run of the service?  It's been running since Memorial Day weekend.  Or do you mean after the inaugural year/summer of service?

 

And, it's not a regular MBTA service, it's more of a CCRTA service (or partnership between MBTA and CCRTA).

 

Eh, never mind.

 

 

 

 
That Montauk is pretty long. Does anyone know if there's some longer lines in foreign contries? I presume the UK and Japan both have some. Germany's S-Bahn was pretty long too. I don't think Deutsch Bahn's RegioExpress.
 
That question is ambiguous, since there is no clear definition of what is "Commuter" in other countries. If anything that is not intercity express service is commuter then there are many that are way longer than 120 miles elsewhere. Why wouldn't one consider DB's RegioExpress to be Commuter?

For that matter is going to seaside resorts exactly commuter travel? Is Montauk service really a commuter service?

I'll try this response again.....

Is Montak service really a commuter service? 

Well lets see....The LIRR is a commuter railroad.  It operates commuter equipment.  It sells commutation type tickets.  And for much of the Montauk line, it fits Swadian's definition of:  "as in a frequent 'rush-hour' service to serve commuters, with much less service in the middle of the day"...

well, if it looks like a duck...quacks like a duck....etc :P

 

 

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 08:56 AM

http://www.p-b.com/schedule-pdfs/6-22-13 PDF Schedule.pdf   Yup.....all the way to P-town....go to page 2 of the pdf....
But if you notice it says things like "CVS (drug store)" or "Park & Ride". I have never seen a train stop at a CVS. It sounds like a bus to me. Besides, there are no railroad tracks on the lower Cape up to P-Town. (The Cape in that area is narrow.)

And correct an earlier statement, it not Amtrak at all. It is MBTA. The original Amtrak Cape Codder only ran as far north (at least the last stop on the NEC) to PVD. It turned off for the Cape well before Boston.
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:43 PM

Traveler, I am glad you pointed out that important distinction in routes between the Amtrak Cape Codder and this new MBTA service.

 

My understanding is that the Amtrak run Cape Codder went to PVD and then turned EAST and headed out through Southeastern Mass, like along the routing of I-195, out to the Cape. It was not a service that ran from Boston.

 

This new MBTA service runs from Boston. The only way to get to it from PVD would be to go north up to Boston and then back down.

 

Also, someone asked way up thread if this was the longest MBTA routing. I don't know if the train from Boston to Wickford Junction might be longer than this new Cape Cod train? I'm too lazy to look it up right now but that one might be about the same distance. Wickford Junction is the newest stop on the MBTA, its two stops south of Providence and almost to KIN! I believe some AUers rode it last year when there was teh OTOL railfest, sorry I wasn't able to join you all for it but I had to work. :(



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:09 PM

Work?:huh: Sure!:giggle:

I'm not sure if the old Amtrak Cape Codder turned east after PVD to run on the South Coast near I-195. I may be wrong, but I think it may have turned east like near Mansfield to run near I-495.

And I do think BOS-Wickford Junction may be just a little longer. If they ever build the third track and continue MBTA to KIN, that will be longer!
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 01:54 PM

In 1986 the Amtrak Cape Codder ran from Washington, DC to Cape Cod. The train turned off the NEC at Attleboro and ran east via Taunton and Middleboro, MA where it joined the line from Boston to Cape Cod.

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:30 PM

In 1986 the Amtrak Cape Codder ran from Washington, DC to Cape Cod. The train turned off the NEC at Attleboro and ran east via Taunton and Middleboro, MA where it joined the line from Boston to Cape Cod.

Thank your for the clarification! Are those tracks in decent enough shape to still run passenger trains? it would actually be great to have a rail connection there that could connect over that way without having to go all the way to Boston.

 

Also, I feel like I heard something about folks in either Fall River or New Bedford wanting rail service. 



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Posted 23 August 2013 - 03:54 PM

I don't recall any cutoff around Attleboro, not to say there isn't or wasn't. As far as service to both Fall River and New Bedford, there are no tracks now. MBTA has to build the line, and with all the politics/environmental studies/NIMBY's/etc, that's why it's taking so long!
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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:19 PM

Just some information about service to Provincetown:

The Old Colony Railroad began service to P town in 1873.  Passenger service continued until 1938, after which only freight service was provided.  The tracks were removed in 1960.

 

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