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#961 A Voice

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Posted 09 January 2018 - 12:52 PM

The interior looks very much like the Brightline cars.

 

Too bad they did not give the numbers of individual types of cars - Coach, Business and Cab/Coach.

 

The Cab car looks like they glue on a SC-44 safety cab structure onto one end of the car, with quite a bit of crumple zone behind it and ahead of the passenger compartment.

 

Fifty-four coaches and seventeen each of cafe and coach/business class cars for the Midwest (no cab cars).  Thirty-five coaches, seven cafe, and seven cab cars for California.  

 

The thought that strikes me is that we're now talking five years for delivery of the last car of a current production model from an open, existing facility.  


Edited by A Voice, 09 January 2018 - 01:00 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:15 PM

5 years ?  Does that mean that there are no available building slots for some Amtrak units ?  Let us hope that is not the case ?  If so its back to CAF for Amtrak ?  There may be Brightline option slots involved as well ?


Edited by west point, 09 January 2018 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:23 PM

I bet the five years includes slots for the Caltrans/IDOT order plus the Birghtline top up (a total of some 8 or 10 consists with ten cars each built including the current 5 consists of 4 cars each, if I recall correctly) that is due in the 2020 timeframe. I am sure if Amtrak places a substantial order they will figure out some way to deliver it. Afterall, by then Siemens Mobility and Alstom will be the same company too, most likely.

 

My suspicion is that some of the stretching out to 2023 may have to do with the ability of the Midwest states to line up funding for this, since the Feddiebux with time limitations are probably gone.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:27 PM

My suspicion is that some of the stretching out to 2023 may have to do with the ability of the Midwest states to line up funding for this, since the Feddiebux with time limitations are probably gone.

 

I would tend to suspect the same, as I've seen it reported that the Midwest cars are, indeed, being constructed with state funds.  

 

I have serious doubts that Brightline will ever actually need all its cars, but I digress.  


Edited by A Voice, 09 January 2018 - 01:28 PM.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 01:54 PM

I dunno; I was fairly certain Brightline wasn't going to ever turn a wheel, and it has already done that. So while I will never hold my breath for a rail start up, I am more optimistic than for most.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 02:31 PM

I think AAF will take delivery of everything and then simply start a side business of equipment leasing should they not need some of it for the time being. Since they have been seriously talking about service to Jacksonville of late, I suspect they will eventually need them. And meanwhile there will always be some state operation that could do with a few high quality cars and engines instead of trying to glue together stuff from the 1950's.

 

heck New York State could do wonders with say four or five six or seven car sets., albeit with regular AAR couplers in the end cars.



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Posted 09 January 2018 - 06:17 PM

The break-down of which California routes see the new single-level cars is one I have interest in seeing.

If, as I suspect, that the vast majority go:

  • to the very early/late Capitol Corridor runs
  • the San Luis Obispo - San Diego Surfliner run
  • all but a handful of San Joaquin trains.

I see that the manufacturer lies alongside the San Joaquin route as a very big benefit because it is only a matter of when, an not even slightly if, there is an incident where one of these new Siemens cab cars crashes into a farm truck or car in the central valley.  Having the factory right there means repair will be much more expedient.


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Posted 09 January 2018 - 10:20 PM

The break-down of which California routes see the new single-level cars is one I have interest in seeing.

If, as I suspect, that the vast majority go:

  • to the very early/late Capitol Corridor runs
  • the San Luis Obispo - San Diego Surfliner run
  • all but a handful of San Joaquin trains.
I see that the manufacturer lies alongside the San Joaquin route as a very big benefit because it is only a matter of when, an not even slightly if, there is an incident where one of these new Siemens cab cars crashes into a farm truck or car in the central valley.  Having the factory right there means repair will be much more expedient.
I think the single level cars should find a home on the San Joaquin trains, especially when they move to the new CAHSR line that is under construction. If I recall correctly, that was one of the stipulations of the federal funds for the high speed project, that Amtrak shift to the line until it is operating with true high speed trains.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:15 AM

Unless CA has a contract with Siemens to do wreck repairs, it wont really matter how close they are to the plant. Even if they did, theres no guarantee that the manufacturing plant is where theyd do the repair.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 12:18 AM

Unless CA has a contract with Siemens to do wreck repairs, it wont really matter how close they are to the plant. Even if they did, theres no guarantee that the manufacturing plant is where theyd do the repair.


Ok. Totally random, off-topic, but why is the board deleting my apostrophe to make the contraction of they would (theyd)? Because I am nit-picky about it, I tried editing it twice and it keeps on being removed.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 05:29 AM

Don’t think it’s the board...
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:34 AM

What else could it be? No matter how many times I put the apostrophe in, and visually verify that it’s still there (no poorly functioning autocorrect to take it away when I look away), and click submit with the apostrophe correctly there, when the post appears on the board, it’s gone.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:37 AM

Its the fact that your device, proabavly an iPhone, auto corrects to a directional apostrophe which the board doesnt recognize.
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:39 AM

Given that your second post and mine both contain them (as does this one), it wouldn’t appear to be the board.

Did you use the same browser/computer for both posts?
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:42 AM

It’s fine if I’m writing “it’s” or “I’m.” But in the specific contraction of “they would” (they’d), it wouldn’t let me keep the apostrophe. Let’s see how it works in this post.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 09:42 AM

Of course they’d let it work that time.

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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:35 AM

The post you’re complaining about was also missing one in “there’s”, which they’d also allow to work. :P
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Posted 10 January 2018 - 10:47 AM

Must have been those missing apostrophes that caused the buff strength test to fail :P



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Posted 10 January 2018 - 01:51 PM

Must have been those missing apostrophes that caused the buff strength test to fail :P

 

Or maybe along those lines, perhaps someone read 800,000 lbs and thought the comma was a decimal point (in French, the comma and decimal point have opposite meanings, so it would be written as 800.000) and only build the cars to 800 pounds of strength.


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Posted 11 January 2018 - 04:41 PM

The cars are ADA compliant with a 2+2 setup... those seats are gonna be TINY.

As someone who rides the San Joaquins, I already hate them.

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