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, Jun 30 2012 11:08 AM
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:49 AM
Looking at the schedule, what is the point of maintaining one of the 4 round trips as a 79 mph service, if it has the same capability as the others? And once this is implemented, won't the faster trip times maybe allow one more round trip or something out of the equipment?
Amtrak: Pacific Surfliner (100000000000), Southwest Chief (5), California Zephyr (1), Coast Starlight (6), Capitol Corridor (1), Empire Builder (2), Acela Express (1), LSL (1), NE Regional (2)
Non-Amtrak: NCTD Coaster (at least 20), Metrolink (4), SD Trolley (at least 20), LACMTA Red Line (at least 50), Seattle Streetcar (1), Chicago 'L' (probably 13), NYC Subway (probably 15), WMATA Mass Transit (probably 20), LIRR (1), Las Vegas Monorail (at least 12), MBTA Mass Transit (16), NJ Transit commuter rail (3), I'm sure there are more that I can't think of right now
upcoming Amtrak: Pacific Surfliner (10000000000 more), Coast Starlight (1)
upcoming non-Amtrak: Coaster, Red Line/Expo Line in LA, NJ Transit (5-10)
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 12:24 PM
Johnny, I wondered the same thing. I think all trips except the Texas eagle should be 110 mph.
Jis, I'll be looking forward to seeing you too. I'll subscribe to hyperpedia and bring my lap top and itinerary. I'll buy your dinner in abq.
Jis, I'll be looking forward to seeing you too. I'll subscribe to hyperpedia and bring my lap top and itinerary. I'll buy your dinner in abq.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:01 PM
Johnny, I wondered the same thing. I think all trips except the Texas eagle should be 110 mph.
Jis, I'll be looking forward to seeing you too. I'll subscribe to hyperpedia and bring my lap top and itinerary. I'll buy your dinner in abq.
Not just that, but the TE could theoretically go at 100, since that is the max of the current baggage cars and Superliners, right? It could even go 90, which the SWC routinely accomplishes.
Amtrak: Pacific Surfliner (100000000000), Southwest Chief (5), California Zephyr (1), Coast Starlight (6), Capitol Corridor (1), Empire Builder (2), Acela Express (1), LSL (1), NE Regional (2)
Non-Amtrak: NCTD Coaster (at least 20), Metrolink (4), SD Trolley (at least 20), LACMTA Red Line (at least 50), Seattle Streetcar (1), Chicago 'L' (probably 13), NYC Subway (probably 15), WMATA Mass Transit (probably 20), LIRR (1), Las Vegas Monorail (at least 12), MBTA Mass Transit (16), NJ Transit commuter rail (3), I'm sure there are more that I can't think of right now
upcoming Amtrak: Pacific Surfliner (10000000000 more), Coast Starlight (1)
upcoming non-Amtrak: Coaster, Red Line/Expo Line in LA, NJ Transit (5-10)
Pretty good for a 16 year old
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 01:24 PM
I've wondered about that as well. I assume that because the 2003/2004 study only included 3 trains (as only 3 roundtrips were operated at that time), the initial plan (which essentially implements the 2003/2004 study) only includes operating 3 trains at 110mph. The study does mention "converting" the other (non-110mph) Lincoln Service train from 79mph to 110mph as part of the next phase.
"A possible first step in the service improvement program would be to convert Trains 303 and 304 to 110 mph locals. Since no additional trips are involved, minimal to no infrastructure improvements are expected. The advantage would be that all local trains would be on the same timetable and can be better coordinated throughout the corridor because of their consistency." - Page 7-3
"A possible first step in the service improvement program would be to convert Trains 303 and 304 to 110 mph locals. Since no additional trips are involved, minimal to no infrastructure improvements are expected. The advantage would be that all local trains would be on the same timetable and can be better coordinated throughout the corridor because of their consistency." - Page 7-3
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 10:44 PM
As I understand it, the reason that not all trains are being run at 110 MPH has to do with how much of that running the freights (i.e. UP) are willing to accept. Simply put, a 110 MPH train tends to be disruptive to freight movements. I believe that IL only arranged for 3/day at 110 MPH at first, hence the 3/day figure.
Capitol Limited (7), CA Zephyr (4) Lake Shore Limited (1), Acela (2), NE Regional (2), Sliver Meteor (4)
Upcoming: Silver Meteor (1), Lake Shore Limited (1), SW Chief (2), MO River Runner (1), Texas Eagle (1)
Possibly Upcoming: Either Texas Eagle (1), Capitol Limited (1), Silver Meteor (2) or Texas Eagle (1), Capitol Limited (1), Silver Meteor (1)
Upcoming: Silver Meteor (1), Lake Shore Limited (1), SW Chief (2), MO River Runner (1), Texas Eagle (1)
Possibly Upcoming: Either Texas Eagle (1), Capitol Limited (1), Silver Meteor (2) or Texas Eagle (1), Capitol Limited (1), Silver Meteor (1)
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Posted 01 July 2012 - 04:44 PM
The entire "interfering with freight" issue should be bogus on this line. Do not forget that the UP has a parallel route that is only a few miles longer and goes by their major Chicago area freight yard, Yard Center. That is the ex-C&EI route that is being used as the Texas Eagle detour route. Everything on the upgraded route should be able to run at least 110 mph unless equipment issues do not allow it.As I understand it, the reason that not all trains are being run at 110 MPH has to do with how much of that running the freights (i.e. UP) are willing to accept. Simply put, a 110 MPH train tends to be disruptive to freight movements. I believe that IL only arranged for 3/day at 110 MPH at first, hence the 3/day figure.
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