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#2061 Anderson

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Posted 08 June 2018 - 03:54 PM

Any idea how the service is developing in terms of OTP and ridership?

I don't know about ridership, but I believe that OTP is pretty close to 100% on a 5-10 minute standard.


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 04:14 PM

They claim they had carried over 100,000 riders before they extended service to Miami.

 

I also learned that they have yet to suffer any in service failure of any of the Siemens power heads since inception of commercial operations.


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Posted 08 June 2018 - 08:48 PM

I remember that...Fort Lauderdale-West Palm was doing about 30,000 pax/month per their statement.  I would love to see results for June (since that should, at least in theory, be a good bit higher with Miami in the mix).


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Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:19 AM

Any idea how the service is developing in terms of OTP and ridership?

I don't know about ridership, but I believe that OTP is pretty close to 100% on a 5-10 minute standard.

It's getting better, but two SB trains yesterday were over 9 minutes late. A NB was nearly 30 minutes late. That's looking at endpoints, designed to absorb schedule pad, which, arguably there is 17 minutes of. They claimed a 60 minute ride from WPB to MIA and it's schedule is for 77 minutes. That's a 28% pad.

In other words, to be a premier service-first business, they should be looking to keeping timetables like they do in Europe or Japan. Apologies for being 60 seconds late. THAT's what will bring loyalty.

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 11:36 AM

No the pad is much less than 17 minutes given the realities of track work and lack of certain speed codes in ATC until it is upgraded to eATC as part of PTC deployment completion later this year. The pad is more like 5-7 minutes I am told.

 

I actually talked at length with the Chief of Operations at the FECRS Annual Convention, who had come to Patrick Goddard's Keynote Dinner event in West Palm Beach. He mentioned the various items that are yet to be completed including a couple of additional crossovers, PTC and upgrading of all main line tracks to 79mph before they can meet the planned 60 mins schedule. But he surmised that they will get there late this year or early next.

 

Nate Asplund (CEO FECR) in his Dinner Keynote address the following day mentioned the trackwork and PTC deployment that remains to be completed too. He also talked some about the work involved for Phase II which starts construction this summer.



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Posted 16 June 2018 - 12:12 PM

Brightline sent out an announcement today that they're implementing the hourly schedule on August 6.  WPB-MIA time will be at 73 minutes each way at that point, with SB departures at :00 from WPB and :43* from FTL, arriving at MIA at :13 (except for a "screwball" 0530 departure from WPB to position the earliest departure from MIA, which will retain the 75-minute schedule).  NB times will be at :10 from MIA and :45 from FTL, arriving WPB at :23.

SB departures will start from WPB at 0530 (the aforementioned screwball departure) and run hourly from 0600 until 2100; NB departures from MIA will start at 0710 and run until 2310.  Note that this means that Friday will have the same schedule as Monday-Thursday.  Weekend timetables are, as far as I can tell, unchanged.

*I think.  The website isn't loading smoothly.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:11 PM

Great news! Now just get to Orlando by 2021. And then Tampa... lol since I live here in Tampa I would love to not drive anymore to WPB or FTL.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 05:18 PM

Great news! Now just get to Orlando by 2021. And then Tampa... lol since I live here in Tampa I would love to not drive anymore to WPB or FTL.

Why don't you take the the Star or Meteor? It'll no doubt be cheaper...


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 05:22 PM

Great news! Now just get to Orlando by 2021. And then Tampa... lol since I live here in Tampa I would love to not drive anymore to WPB or FTL.

Why don't you take the the Star or Meteor? It'll no doubt be cheaper...
And much more unreliable and slower.

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 05:23 PM

But without the pseudo-tsa nonsense.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 07:07 PM

But without the pseudo-tsa nonsense.

By that time? Are you sure Amtrak won't be as bad or worse?



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Posted 18 June 2018 - 07:44 PM

Amtrak has made no moves toward having permanent checkpoints at all stations. The tsa and their ilk come and run a circus every now and then, but that's it, and I haven't even heard of anything nearly as intrusive as brightline on Amtrak in quite some time.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 09:00 PM

 

Great news! Now just get to Orlando by 2021. And then Tampa... lol since I live here in Tampa I would love to not drive anymore to WPB or FTL.

Why don't you take the the Star or Meteor? It'll no doubt be cheaper...

 

 

Amtrak would take over 3-4+ hours from Tampa to those end points (provided the train isn't delayed). Megabus would be able to do the trip quicker. It's not really fair to compare Amtrak long distance trains to Brightline. If Amtrak had state supported trains in this state, it would be a better comparison IMO. That's another thread though.


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Posted 18 June 2018 - 11:02 PM

Mega Bus takes just as long as Amtrak between South Florida and Tampa. Actually, Amtrak is just as fast as driving between WPB and Tampa, because there is no direct interstate connection (either take the Turnpike to I-4 in Orlando or to SR 60 at Yeehaw Jct). Now if only the Star was reliable.

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Posted 18 June 2018 - 11:10 PM


 


Great news! Now just get to Orlando by 2021. And then Tampa... lol since I live here in Tampa I would love to not drive anymore to WPB or FTL.

Why don't you take the the Star or Meteor? It'll no doubt be cheaper...
 
 
Amtrak would take over 3-4+ hours from Tampa to those end points (provided the train isn't delayed). Megabus would be able to do the trip quicker. It's not really fair to compare Amtrak long distance trains to Brightline. If Amtrak had state supported trains in this state, it would be a better comparison IMO. That's another thread though.
Megabus is not necessarily faster than Amtrak. Megabus advertises Tampa to Miami in 5 1/2 hours, whereas when I rode the Silver Star there it took under 5. From Tampa to West Palm Beach, the Silver Star is even more competitive as there is no direct interstate route. However, there is still a major difference in the fact that Megabus is more reliable, cheaper, and has more frequencies. Other than the cost, Brightline will be an improvement in all of these areas (as well as time savings). I would definitely use the Silver Star over other methods of transportation if I go to South Florida from Tampa again in the next few years, but it is somewhat of a niche market given all of the transportation options. If Brightline does eventually reach Tampa, at that point I would use it instead of Amtrak unless the prices were much higher, mainly due to flexibility. While the route is covered by the Silver Star at what would be considered relatively good times, for my uses they fail to maximize time as it doesn't arrive into Miami until relatively late and returns to Tampa at a time that takes up a large part of the day as well.
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Posted 19 June 2018 - 08:15 AM

If Brightline does get to Tampa, and they have hourly service from 7am to 11pm, that would be the main reason I would use BL over Amtrak anyday. I could do a comfortable & relaxing round trip in a single day to S Florida which would otherwise make for a very long day if driving there instead! Also, I tend to think that BL will be more reliable - LD trains are more often late than on time. Not that it is Amtrak's fault, just the cards they have been dealt especially with Florida to NE service on CSX.


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 08:45 AM

https://www.wingsjou...orida-commuters
 

The Fortress Investment Group, which Edens co-founded and co-manages, owns the rail system. Plans for development include a station in Miami that will cover six city blocks. Shops, residences and a food hall are in the works as are connections to other transit networks. Real estate experts predict that prices along the rail system’s path will increase dramatically.
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Wes Edens’s Brightline train has routes throughout S. Florida

According to Edens, his vision for Brightline extends “well beyond the state of Florida.” Although there is talk of service between Chicago and St. Louis in the future, Edens’ spokesman was reluctant to discuss the possibility of service between Chicago and Milwaukee. The Amtrak Hiawatha line already offers several trips each day.



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Posted 19 June 2018 - 03:17 PM

Public Meeting regarding environmental issues in the St. Johns and Econ River basins taking place today In Orlando...

 

http://www.mynews13....lando-expansion


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 05:44 PM

It looks like fares have gone up. WPB to Miami is $30 Select/$20 Smart.

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 09:00 PM

We know the outcome of Orlando service. Approved, so come 2021 looks like I'll meeting some of you.

 

http://www.orlandose...0619-story.html


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