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Posted 30 September 2012 - 05:22 PM


New question: Why did Greyhound cancel some of its LD services? Some of them were very popular but still got cancelled.

A very good question. Part of it may be in what I commented on in the 'Cross-Country' thread....A few years ago, GL's CEO in their company newspaper stated that Greyhond was basically re-inventing themselves from a long distance carrier to concentrate on 300-400 mile maximum trips radiating from their largest markets.
Greyhound has abandoned some very popular routes that took them years to build.
A can imagine the great Greyhound founders spinning in their graves at what became of their once proud American icon.... :angry2:


Here is where I don't udnerstand. So the CEO is do what he said he would do. But those runs were popular so he still shouldn't have done it, IMO. After all, he's probably not doing it just to fulfill his statement, there are other reasons too.
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Posted 30 September 2012 - 11:15 PM



New question: Why did Greyhound cancel some of its LD services? Some of them were very popular but still got cancelled.

A very good question. Part of it may be in what I commented on in the 'Cross-Country' thread....A few years ago, GL's CEO in their company newspaper stated that Greyhond was basically re-inventing themselves from a long distance carrier to concentrate on 300-400 mile maximum trips radiating from their largest markets.
Greyhound has abandoned some very popular routes that took them years to build.
A can imagine the great Greyhound founders spinning in their graves at what became of their once proud American icon.... :angry2:


Here is where I don't udnerstand. So the CEO is do what he said he would do. But those runs were popular so he still shouldn't have done it, IMO. After all, he's probably not doing it just to fulfill his statement, there are other reasons too.

As I don't speak for GLI, I cannot answer your question. From what I have heard, they are not actively going after long haul business, as the economics don't yield what the shorter hauls do. For example....suppose they could fill a bus in NYC with a solid load of passengers going all the way to Los Angeles. At first glance, that would seem good, right? But to get that business, they would have to offer a fare low enough to lure passengers from low cost air carriers, in most cases it would take a very low fare to do that. So they have all the terminal, driver, fuel, and other expenses to pay to get that bus with 50 passengers across the country.
The fare to go 300-400 miles would be almost as high as the coast to coast fare, with good yield management in place, with a much lower cost of operation, hence a much greater profit. At least that's a theory.....in practice, who knows?
Why don't you pose some of your questions directly to GLI corporate offices, and see if they give you any explanation?
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Posted 01 October 2012 - 06:01 PM




New question: Why did Greyhound cancel some of its LD services? Some of them were very popular but still got cancelled.

A very good question. Part of it may be in what I commented on in the 'Cross-Country' thread....A few years ago, GL's CEO in their company newspaper stated that Greyhond was basically re-inventing themselves from a long distance carrier to concentrate on 300-400 mile maximum trips radiating from their largest markets.
Greyhound has abandoned some very popular routes that took them years to build.
A can imagine the great Greyhound founders spinning in their graves at what became of their once proud American icon.... :angry2:


Here is where I don't udnerstand. So the CEO is do what he said he would do. But those runs were popular so he still shouldn't have done it, IMO. After all, he's probably not doing it just to fulfill his statement, there are other reasons too.

As I don't speak for GLI, I cannot answer your question. From what I have heard, they are not actively going after long haul business, as the economics don't yield what the shorter hauls do. For example....suppose they could fill a bus in NYC with a solid load of passengers going all the way to Los Angeles. At first glance, that would seem good, right? But to get that business, they would have to offer a fare low enough to lure passengers from low cost air carriers, in most cases it would take a very low fare to do that. So they have all the terminal, driver, fuel, and other expenses to pay to get that bus with 50 passengers across the country.
The fare to go 300-400 miles would be almost as high as the coast to coast fare, with good yield management in place, with a much lower cost of operation, hence a much greater profit. At least that's a theory.....in practice, who knows?
Why don't you pose some of your questions directly to GLI corporate offices, and see if they give you any explanation?


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Posted 02 October 2012 - 05:46 PM

New question: Is there any way to see what equipment Greyhound will use for a run? Right now I just go to the station and bet it's not a G4500.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 07:09 PM

New question: Is there any way to see what equipment Greyhound will use for a run? Right now I just go to the station and bet it's not a G4500.

It would depend somewhat on where you were going, but in general from New York it's most likely going to be a Prevost X-3, or a refurbed MCI DL-3. Equipment are grouped in numbered "pools", that carry all the required licenses and permits for the territory they will operate. The maintenance supervisor will select any convenient bus from the proper pool to fulfill each schedule. They are not on a 'loop type' pool like was used at one time, where buses were assigned a 'home garage', and followed a specific rotation of schedules until returning to their home garages for maintenance. Back then, you knew in advance which buses were likely to show up. Now it is more random.
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Posted 02 October 2012 - 11:23 PM


New question: Is there any way to see what equipment Greyhound will use for a run? Right now I just go to the station and bet it's not a G4500.

It would depend somewhat on where you were going, but in general from New York it's most likely going to be a Prevost X-3, or a refurbed MCI DL-3. Equipment are grouped in numbered "pools", that carry all the required licenses and permits for the territory they will operate. The maintenance supervisor will select any convenient bus from the proper pool to fulfill each schedule. They are not on a 'loop type' pool like was used at one time, where buses were assigned a 'home garage', and followed a specific rotation of schedules until returning to their home garages for maintenance. Back then, you knew in advance which buses were likely to show up. Now it is more random.


Is there any way to know which buses go in what pool?
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 12:03 AM



New question: Is there any way to see what equipment Greyhound will use for a run? Right now I just go to the station and bet it's not a G4500.

It would depend somewhat on where you were going, but in general from New York it's most likely going to be a Prevost X-3, or a refurbed MCI DL-3. Equipment are grouped in numbered "pools", that carry all the required licenses and permits for the territory they will operate. The maintenance supervisor will select any convenient bus from the proper pool to fulfill each schedule. They are not on a 'loop type' pool like was used at one time, where buses were assigned a 'home garage', and followed a specific rotation of schedules until returning to their home garages for maintenance. Back then, you knew in advance which buses were likely to show up. Now it is more random.


Is there any way to know which buses go in what pool?

Sure, if you have access to a GL 'BOSS' computer terminal, that is. :)
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Posted 04 October 2012 - 06:10 PM

Oh, well, I'm not a hacker, so I guess it's just too bad.


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Posted 04 October 2012 - 11:20 PM

Now that I think of it, Greyhound may have axed LD service because each bus needed too many permits in one pool, making things hard to manage and costing more money. I do wonder, how much does it cost for a operating license?


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:19 PM

OK, well, does anybody know where the G4500s and D4505s are? I can't access their dispatch computers but at least I can get some spotter reports. I usually see 102DL3s all the time, not much else.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:16 PM

Now that I think of it, Greyhound may have axed LD service because each bus needed too many permits in one pool, making things hard to manage and costing more money. I do wonder, how much does it cost for a operating license?

On the contrary, assigning buses to pools reduces licensing costs, as only the number of buses required, plus a few spares are licensed to fulfill schedule requirements.
As to costs, I cannot anwer.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:25 PM

OK, well, does anybody know where the G4500s and D4505s are? I can't access their dispatch computers but at least I can get some spotter reports. I usually see 102DL3s all the time, not much else.

Thanks!

I don't know where "Praven" is located, but here in The City, we see equally DL3's, and X-3's, and occasionly MC-12's, G4500's, D4505's, or 102D's, although the latter mentioned are seen less and less. I have heard the G's are mostly 'out west' (thank goodness)....
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:57 PM


OK, well, does anybody know where the G4500s and D4505s are? I can't access their dispatch computers but at least I can get some spotter reports. I usually see 102DL3s all the time, not much else.

Thanks!

I don't know where "Praven" is located, but here in The City, we see equally DL3's, and X-3's, and occasionly MC-12's, G4500's, D4505's, or 102D's, although the latter mentioned are seen less and less. I have heard the G's are mostly 'out west' (thank goodness)....


Thanks for trying to help. Unfortunately I still need to know about other areas, since I mainly ride buses where trains are too expensive or poorly timed, but anyway, I've also wondered if Greyhound has a Northern Division. Apparently they don't. If so, why not?
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 03:43 AM



OK, well, does anybody know where the G4500s and D4505s are? I can't access their dispatch computers but at least I can get some spotter reports. I usually see 102DL3s all the time, not much else.

Thanks!

I don't know where "Praven" is located, but here in The City, we see equally DL3's, and X-3's, and occasionly MC-12's, G4500's, D4505's, or 102D's, although the latter mentioned are seen less and less. I have heard the G's are mostly 'out west' (thank goodness)....


Thanks for trying to help. Unfortunately I still need to know about other areas, since I mainly ride buses where trains are too expensive or poorly timed, but anyway, I've also wondered if Greyhound has a Northern Division. Apparently they don't. If so, why not?

Not sure just what you mean by 'Northern Division'....
Greyhound Lines, Inc., has been a single 'division', since the last consolidation of Greyhound Lines East, and Greyhound Lines West, in the mid 1970's. Prior to that were four...Eastern, Southern, Central, and Western, and prior to that many more.....
I suppose you could consider Greyhound Lines of Canada its 'northern division', but in reality, a separate company with a common owner (FirstGroup).
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:55 AM

Just to clarify. D4500's are the older buses.

D4505 *note the 05* is a new bus type.The D4505's have the G4500 style headlights, and the J4500 style running lights on the top cap. I got to ride one of them recently on my return from New Orleans to Lafayette, It was a nice ride. They ride better than the older D4500 units, which I find a bit harsh. Although GLI doesnt tend to maintain their equipment very well. I recently saw one of their 2009 Prevost X-3 units, and it looked like hell.

Along with the Prevost X-3's that GLI is using now. I got to ride one of these from Binghamton NY, to Syracuse to catch the LSL after visiting my girlfriend. The X-3 rode well, but the seats werent all that comfortable, and after speaking with the driver, he didnt find the seats comfortable either. Although I guess having gotten used to the Amtrak seats, no bus will ever be that comfy.

An updated fleet for Greyhound are the D4500's *older units, currently being refurbed by GLI with the new paint scheme and seats* G4500's *blech, I hate these* , D4505 *new buses*, Prevost X-3 *new buses*.

The G4500's will be replaced as well, as there have been issues with that series. Fires and whatnot. Every driver that I know personally hates the G models. They only drive them because they have to. :D

They are slowly replacing the fleet with the newer buses. The new D4505's are going to replace the older D4500 units.

Here in Lafayette, Im seeing more and more of the D4505's and Prevost X-3's as they phase out the older units.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 05:00 PM

Just to clarify. D4500's are the older buses.

D4505 *note the 05* is a new bus type.The D4505's have the G4500 style headlights, and the J4500 style running lights on the top cap. I got to ride one of them recently on my return from New Orleans to Lafayette, It was a nice ride. They ride better than the older D4500 units, which I find a bit harsh. Although GLI doesnt tend to maintain their equipment very well. I recently saw one of their 2009 Prevost X-3 units, and it looked like hell.

Along with the Prevost X-3's that GLI is using now. I got to ride one of these from Binghamton NY, to Syracuse to catch the LSL after visiting my girlfriend. The X-3 rode well, but the seats werent all that comfortable, and after speaking with the driver, he didnt find the seats comfortable either. Although I guess having gotten used to the Amtrak seats, no bus will ever be that comfy.

An updated fleet for Greyhound are the D4500's *older units, currently being refurbed by GLI with the new paint scheme and seats* G4500's *blech, I hate these* , D4505 *new buses*, Prevost X-3 *new buses*.

The G4500's will be replaced as well, as there have been issues with that series. Fires and whatnot. Every driver that I know personally hates the G models. They only drive them because they have to. :D

They are slowly replacing the fleet with the newer buses. The new D4505's are going to replace the older D4500 units.

Here in Lafayette, Im seeing more and more of the D4505's and Prevost X-3's as they phase out the older units.


I knew that the D4500s are the older buses. They are simply reclassified 102DL3s. The 102DL3/D4500s are far from getting retired, Greyhound's refurbishing them so they will probably stay for at least six more years. The MC-12s and 102D3s are the ones getting retired. Personnaly I don't like the G4500 or X3-45, but the other guys are all OK or great. Love the D4505s.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:40 PM

I would love to see Greyhound get the J4500's, those would look awesome in the new paint scheme. Also, Id like to see the Prevost H3-45's like New York Trailways has. I know Im dreaming on the J and H3 models, but oh well.

The D4505's do ride very nicely. I enjoyed my trip back from New Orleans to Lafayette on it. Another thing I noticed between the D4505 and the D4500 is that the newer buses have much better headlights, they are bigger and cast more light. The driver said he prefers the D4505 because they can see farther down the lane than with the smaller square headlights.

Im gonna make you laugh, the driver and I were discussing bus models, and comparisons. He was like, hey, do you work for GLI? I said no, Im just an avid train and bus fan. He says, you should hire on as a dispatcher, you know your models quite well. Haha.



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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:24 PM

I would love to see Greyhound get the J4500's, those would look awesome in the new paint scheme. Also, Id like to see the Prevost H3-45's like New York Trailways has. I know Im dreaming on the J and H3 models, but oh well.

The D4505's do ride very nicely. I enjoyed my trip back from New Orleans to Lafayette on it. Another thing I noticed between the D4505 and the D4500 is that the newer buses have much better headlights, they are bigger and cast more light. The driver said he prefers the D4505 because they can see farther down the lane than with the smaller square headlights.

Im gonna make you laugh, the driver and I were discussing bus models, and comparisons. He was like, hey, do you work for GLI? I said no, Im just an avid train and bus fan. He says, you should hire on as a dispatcher, you know your models quite well. Haha.


About the J4500, it's apparently designed as a tour bus, not fr line-haul. I also prefer the D4505, I like the more rounded look, especially at the top of the windshield.

Then the H3-45, I've never really liked Prevosts, mainly for the big "glass box" at the front with no bar at the top. Prevost themselves also say the the X3-45 is designed for line-haul, H3-45 is designed for touring.

But anyway, I've really wanted to know why others hate the G4500. Everybody that knows about American buses seems to hate the G4500. I don't like it for the faulty mechanisms and poor ride quality. What about you guys?
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 01:59 AM


I would love to see Greyhound get the J4500's, those would look awesome in the new paint scheme. Also, Id like to see the Prevost H3-45's like New York Trailways has. I know Im dreaming on the J and H3 models, but oh well.

The D4505's do ride very nicely. I enjoyed my trip back from New Orleans to Lafayette on it. Another thing I noticed between the D4505 and the D4500 is that the newer buses have much better headlights, they are bigger and cast more light. The driver said he prefers the D4505 because they can see farther down the lane than with the smaller square headlights.

Im gonna make you laugh, the driver and I were discussing bus models, and comparisons. He was like, hey, do you work for GLI? I said no, Im just an avid train and bus fan. He says, you should hire on as a dispatcher, you know your models quite well. Haha.


About the J4500, it's apparently designed as a tour bus, not fr line-haul. I also prefer the D4505, I like the more rounded look, especially at the top of the windshield.

Then the H3-45, I've never really liked Prevosts, mainly for the big "glass box" at the front with no bar at the top. Prevost themselves also say the the X3-45 is designed for line-haul, H3-45 is designed for touring.

But anyway, I've really wanted to know why others hate the G4500. Everybody that knows about American buses seems to hate the G4500. I don't like it for the faulty mechanisms and poor ride quality. What about you guys?

The 'G' models were not designed in house by MCI, but were a derivative of Mexican builder Dina's Viaggio bus, from that era when Dina briefly owned MCI...
Most of us think they are junk.... a low cost attempt to offer a 'Euro-style' coach.
As for H-3 versus X-3 Prevost's....try to stuff the baggage and 'kitchen sinks', that college students bring with them when starting the new school year in an X-3's two shallow bays....it is mission, impossible. Often have to depart with empty seats, as there is simply no more room for baggage below. From a driver's standpoint, I will say that the lower X-3 handles somewhat better. And regarding the J4500's....again from a driver's standpoint, never felt 'at home' behind the wheel in those, and the ones my company purchased have never been popular with the driver's....we even prefer the much older 102D's over them,
As for seating comfort....the newest seats are designed for crash 'containment', with or without seatbelt use, derived from those used in school buses. And the seat power outlets when located at the bottom preclude you from sliding your legs very much forward, (you hit your shins). So all in all less comfortable than the older model seats.
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Posted 10 October 2012 - 10:30 AM

Ive seen a number of engine fires reported with the G4500, due to as railiner stated, faulty electronics. The G models rode rough, and the hard seats didnt help either.

The H3's luggage bays are like houses compared to the X-3's haha. In fact, when I was in Binghamton ready for departure on the X-3, an NY Trailways bus pulled up next to us, and the luggage bays had as much baggage as ours, but more room to store them neatly.

As far as for the J4500's, yeah, I realize that they arent built for line run duty, but Peter Pan uses them for their runs. So they cant be too bad.

Hopefully I will get to ride one of the H3-45's when I move to Syracuse. Ill be going back and forth between there and Binghamton, where my girlfriend picks me up at.
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