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#1 Texan Eagle

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 12:20 PM

I had my first journey on the Southwest Chief this Monday, from Los Angeles Union Station to Albuquerque. Originally I had booked tickets from San Bernandino but since I was done with my work early in the day, decided to take Metrolink to LA Union and ask if they allow me to board the Chief from there, if not, I had the backup plan of taking Metrolink back to San Bernandino and wait there. The lady at the Amtrak ticketing took inordinately long time checking something in her system but eventually did allow me to board from LAUS and issued me LA to San Bernandino coach ticket costing $1.70. So, now I have in my collection what would probably the lowest costing Amtrak ticket I could ever get Posted Image

Once I had my ticket, I wandered around since there was still over half hour before boarding starts, and I thought it would be first come first serve open seating, but seems that's not the case from LAUS. This is the start of a series of events I observed that are in place just to complicate a simple task of coach travel and seemingly to justify that all the staff is "doing some work". I was directed to a "Check in" desk where one person was assigning seat numbers to coach passengers. I asked him to give me a left side window seat, but he declined. He said he will only assign seat numbers in sequence and assigned me a right side aisle seat. He had a paper with coach composition and I saw half the coach was empty so I asked him can't he give me one of the window seats? But he flatly declined. I thought, thats ok, let me board, I'll get it changed from coach attendant.

More unnecessary complications in boarding- they did not announce the platform number until ten minutes before departure. I saw upstairs, all the platforms were empty except Platform 12 where a Surfliner was standing, they could have decided a platform and let passengers walk up, but didn't do, rather they announced it at 6.15pm and there was a mad scramble with over a hundred passengers running through the tunnel to PF-11!

The Chief had the usual composition- three sleepers, dining car, lounge, three coaches. I boarded the coach assigned to me, went to the aisle seat assigned and waited for boarding to complete. When we pulled out, in my car all the passengers had been huddled in the front half of the car and the rear half was empty! In the car behind mine, it was the same situation, and in the car in front of mine, there were a grand total of fifteen passengers. So I went to an empty window seat and when the coach attendant and conductor came to check my ticket, I requested them to reassign me to that window seat. But he flatly declined stating that all vacant seats are for families and groups boarding from stations enroute and I should go back and sit at my aisle seat! I told him that there is no guarantee only families and groups will be boarding the train, even if the train is full, there would be few single passengers boarding who can occupy the seats next to me, but he refused to budge from his stand.

I went to the lounge, had dinner in Dining Car and returned to coach after San Bernandino and still half the coach seats were vacant so I asked an attendant in the first coach car if I can move to one of the vacant rows of seats to sleep, since the person occupying window seat next to my assigned seat had already slept off using both seats! Again, answer- NO! We need the seats for passengers boarding enroute! Then, as if doing a huge favor, he whispers to me- come and sit at one of these "reserved" seats ("reserved" seats within an already reserved coach- Amtrak Inception Posted Image) for a few hours. I moved to one row of empty seats and slept off but ten minutes before Flagstaff, a staff member came and woke me up from sleep and told me to go back to my assigned seat because "the train will get full here and we need all open seats!" I got off at Flagstaff, looked around and there were no more than 20 people waiting to board and we had three half-vacant coaches. After Flagstaff when the train did not get "full" as claimed by the attendant, I once again went to him and asked him if I can occupy one of the empty window seats, but yet again he's like "No! All these seats are for passengers boarding from stations between Flagstaff and Albuquerque!"

Now, I wonder why the onboard staff behaves so unfriendly with the coach passengers? It is a fully reserved train, they obviously know how many people are boarding from which station, the train was running with under 40% occupancy, so why can't they stop being a pain in the a$$ and let passengers move about freely? It seemed more like an ego trip for the staff.. "just because we have the power, we will enforce it" types. This was not the attitude of one attendant, I talked to attendants in all three coach cars and all of them were adamant in letting all passengers huddled up in one part of the car and let the other half run empty. Posted Image

The scenery and the run was fantastic so I enjoyed the journey, but if this is how the staff behaves, passengers new to train travel would not be enthusiastic about doing it again.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 12:54 PM

I got the same treatment going from LA to SFO on the Starlight. The attendant was hyperventilating as he was telling us all about seats reserved for 'families' and all that crapola. I got a window seat on the right(wrong) side, but who cares it was a nice trip. I think it must be a California thing.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 01:14 PM

I was directed to a "Check in" desk where one person was assigning seat numbers to coach passengers.


I'll be returning from LAX to ABQ after Christmas. Is that standard procedure and something I should expect?
Also, would getting a Red Cap to board help prevent any of the hazzle described in the original post?
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Posted 02 November 2011 - 02:32 PM

I've experienced treatment like this years ago. Traveling single on amtrak in coach is not fun on ld trains. This was really unnecessary. I would call and comPlain. If you can tweet, tweet away. Maybe this crap will stop if Amtrak is embarrassed into reigning back exuberant employees.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 06:41 PM

Funny really, exactly the sort of inflexible Amnonsense that a writer from the UK wrote about recently and caused deep outrage amongst certain members here!!
What was that about not shooting the messenger? :help: :help: :help:

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:19 PM

as much as I love Amtrak, they do tend to treat passengers as an inconvenience sometimes, some employees anyway.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:38 PM

I went from LA to Chicago and back three years ago. I just moved on my own the second night and slept where there were two empty seats instead of being next to someone who was hogging my seat. Another time I moved to a different coach car to recharge my phone. The attendant did ask what I was doing but didn't mind when I explained. It was on our return home and he did say the train would fill up and I'd have to return to my original seat once we hit Albuquerque. He was right as it did fill up there. But my phone was recharged so no problem there. I think I ran into a nicer crew than you did. Maybe I am just bad but I'd just move on my own rather than ask.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:45 PM

Maybe you would have been better off getting on in San Bernidino?

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:57 PM

Way back in the old days (maybe 17 years ago) had same kind of deal on TE going to SAS. Directed to a car that was nearly full...no seats together for me and (then) wife. Nobody would move for us, so we just got off and told attendant we were going to fly to SAS instead...we were walking back into Dallas Union Station when another Amtrak employee (maybe conductor) stopped us and told us to follow him....we did and he put us in an empty coach car! Of course the car filled up onm the way tp SAS, so when we arrived there were maybe 25 of us in that car......The guy who boarded us in the empty car was saying the attendant at the other car was acting like a jerk.

I learned then that if asking nicely for something Amtrak related did not work, screw 'em......there are other ways to travel. I refuse to be a doormat!

Got on the TE in Longview once and the train was really FULL.................big time full, so the attendant nicely asked some of us to wait in the lounge until he could get everyone seated....since I was a single passenger, I told him that I could just stay in the lounge to Ft. Worth, and he actually smiled and said "thank you so very much"......

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:02 PM

I have recetly travelled on Amtrak - Toledo to Chicago, Chicago to San Antonio, then on to Los Angeles. My return trip was from Los Angeles to Chicago, then on to Toledo. I have experience the same treatment the one and only time I travelled coach. Getting an assigned seat, and NO you cannot change - this sounds all familiar. I was seated next to a man who smelled of cig smoke and hogged the electrical plug with all his electronics. I was seated next to the window. Since that experience, I have purchased roometts or a bedroom. Some sleeper attendants, I think, like to hear themself making announcements! Some are even right down rude - regardless of age. The dinner staff really need coaching on how to make dinner announcements.

During the months of Sept and Oct, I had the great experience to travel on three of Australia's trains - The Ghan, Indian Pacific, and The Sunlander. All rides were an experience of a lifetime. The staff on all trains were wonderful. The BIGGIES from Amtrak should experience Australia trains to see what SERVICE is all about.

I love trains, but Amtrak really needs to shape up in CUSTOMER SERVICE on the rails.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 10:53 PM

Good to know that I am not the only one who has experienced this. I wonder if it would be a good idea to collectively write to Amtrak about how much pain in the a$$ their onboard staff is being to the passengers for no apparent reason. If they have been instructed by Amtrak to make everyone sit in fixed seats, give the passengers the option to select their seats at the time of booking itself rather than giving open seating reservation and then hyperventilating over what will happen is families and groups get in together. That way if I am travelling with a family, I will know at the outset if I am getting seats together or not rather than boarding in suspense and going through chaos on board.

As tony suggested, I feel if you are a single traveler, it is better to board from smaller stations rather than big terminals. When I boarded TE from Dallas traveling alone the attendant just told me to go upstairs and find any vacant seat of your choice. Similarly even on the Chief I guess they were letting people from intermediate stations sit wherever they want.

Dan- you are not bad, what you did is exactly what one needs to do when the staff decides to be a pain. Even I went and sat at vacant window seats, but the attendants, probably having no better work to do, made me get off three times stating "these seats are reserved".

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 12:06 AM

I'll be returning from LAX to ABQ after Christmas. Is that standard procedure and something I should expect?
Also, would getting a Red Cap to board help prevent any of the hazzle described in the original post?
Thanks


If I recall correctly, there's a little "coach assignment" kiosk at the side of the LAX waiting hall closest to the platform access tunnel. The line has been pretty long whenever—all four times—I've seen it. The Red Cap would be useful in avoiding the mad rush, but if the track assignment isn't relayed to the Red Caps more than a few minutes before general boarding, there's not much that can be done. Whatever happens, the trip should still be thoroughly enjoyable, I'm sure.

Also, from what I've heard (not from personal experience), the behavior described by the OP is not atypical of attendants on the SW Chief. Then again, that is not my personal experience, and I cannot speak to the accuracy of the assertion, especially given that crews do change as people leave or bid out.
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 01:55 AM

If you want to arrive on the platform with time to spare... the Southwest Chief always departs from Platform 6 (tracks 11 or 12)... it switches between the 2, but is always on Platform 6... they will usually let you on the platform early, but in the case of me yesterday, a Surfliner engine broke down in Union Station and they made everybody on the Surfliner get off, go into the tunnel and wait, while they performed a "very dangerous switching operation"... luckily I was going south Posted Image... but really, you should always go to tracks 11 & 12
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Posted 26 November 2011 - 07:50 PM

We did the same thing at Seattle and Portland on Cascades where large amount of passengers are boarding. Let's say if you're going to Flagstaff or Albuquerque, they prefer to assign to one car to keep track of passengers.
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Posted 28 November 2011 - 09:23 PM

I have seen Amtrak staff do this sometimes. Most of the time it's for a good reason -- as in -- they are trying to keep everyone getting off at the same destination together because the platform is so short they can't open all the doors, etc. However, other times I do think it can be a "power trip" thing.

Earlier this month, I did 2 one-way trips on the Cardinal with the #10031 Dome, WAS-CHI and NYP-CHI. Anyway, on both trips the train featured 4 coaches when it normally just has 3. It was even advertised as part of the Dome special that an extra coach would be added for extra steating. On both trains, the 4th coach (closest to the Dome) was empty all the way for most of the trip... I guess on the first trip I did they were keeping it just for IND-CHI passengers... but what got me... on the second trip... NO ONE was ever put in the fourth coach. Luckily I was in the sleeper, but that kinda crap would have gotten my goat (GN reference) if I was a coach passenger. Why not open up the 4th coach at all if everyone is crammed into 3? The only explanation seems to be laziness on the part of the coach attendant and/or conductors.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 01:07 PM

I have seen Amtrak staff do this sometimes. Most of the time it's for a good reason -- as in -- they are trying to keep everyone getting off at the same destination together because the platform is so short they can't open all the doors, etc. However, other times I do think it can be a "power trip" thing.

Earlier this month, I did 2 one-way trips on the Cardinal with the #10031 Dome, WAS-CHI and NYP-CHI. Anyway, on both trips the train featured 4 coaches when it normally just has 3. It was even advertised as part of the Dome special that an extra coach would be added for extra steating. On both trains, the 4th coach (closest to the Dome) was empty all the way for most of the trip... I guess on the first trip I did they were keeping it just for IND-CHI passengers... but what got me... on the second trip... NO ONE was ever put in the fourth coach. Luckily I was in the sleeper, but that kinda crap would have gotten my goat (GN reference) if I was a coach passenger. Why not open up the 4th coach at all if everyone is crammed into 3? The only explanation seems to be laziness on the part of the coach attendant and/or conductors.


They did the exact same thing on our dome trip on #50 last year. Once, I'm willing to suspend judgment. More than once, it certainly looks like a pattern.

A couple of months ago I rode the City of New Orleans Chicago-New Orleans. The sleeper was on the rear of the train, and after Memphis there were no passengers in the last coach. That afternoon, my sister wanted to take a nap, so I sat in the empty coach reading. After all, coach seats are to my mind (and rear) more comfortable than the seats in the Sightseer Lounge. A conductor asked me what I was doing there, but decided it was fine for me to be in the empty coach because I was a sleeper passenger.

I'll let smarter people than I figure that one out.

Edited by Ispolkom, 29 November 2011 - 01:08 PM.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 08:05 PM


I have seen Amtrak staff do this sometimes. Most of the time it's for a good reason -- as in -- they are trying to keep everyone getting off at the same destination together because the platform is so short they can't open all the doors, etc. However, other times I do think it can be a "power trip" thing.

Earlier this month, I did 2 one-way trips on the Cardinal with the #10031 Dome, WAS-CHI and NYP-CHI. Anyway, on both trips the train featured 4 coaches when it normally just has 3. It was even advertised as part of the Dome special that an extra coach would be added for extra steating. On both trains, the 4th coach (closest to the Dome) was empty all the way for most of the trip... I guess on the first trip I did they were keeping it just for IND-CHI passengers... but what got me... on the second trip... NO ONE was ever put in the fourth coach. Luckily I was in the sleeper, but that kinda crap would have gotten my goat (GN reference) if I was a coach passenger. Why not open up the 4th coach at all if everyone is crammed into 3? The only explanation seems to be laziness on the part of the coach attendant and/or conductors.


They did the exact same thing on our dome trip on #50 last year. Once, I'm willing to suspend judgment. More than once, it certainly looks like a pattern.

A couple of months ago I rode the City of New Orleans Chicago-New Orleans. The sleeper was on the rear of the train, and after Memphis there were no passengers in the last coach. That afternoon, my sister wanted to take a nap, so I sat in the empty coach reading. After all, coach seats are to my mind (and rear) more comfortable than the seats in the Sightseer Lounge. A conductor asked me what I was doing there, but decided it was fine for me to be in the empty coach because I was a sleeper passenger.

I'll let smarter people than I figure that one out.

Hmmm...wonder how that conductor feels about eating in the diner with coach people? :rolleyes:

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 04:06 PM

Hello.

Of all the things I have learned, the GOLDEN RULE is obey the coach attendant when you board the train. Try not to question him/her during the seating process. Show respect, when possible. I have found that once you are seated, and provided that you followed the GOLDEN RULE, the coach attendant will be your best friend for the remainder of the trip. If you give him/her a hard timeduring the seating process, the trip can be very difficult from that point on. So before you are assigned a seat, be on your best behavior and do what he/shesays. The turning point occurs when that little slip of paper showing your destination goes on top of your seat, and then after the conductor has seen your tickets.From that point on, I have found it pretty easy to ask for just about anythingincluding changing seats (make sure its a seat in the same destination area as yours....

Just my little observation.... This is the make or break for my Amtrak trips while in coach. Its a culture thing, as the British writer correctly pointedout. When in Rome.......



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Posted 05 December 2011 - 05:20 PM

Obey? Seriously?

I'm not aware of any golden rule that starts out like that.

If coach attendants want our respect why can't they show us the same?

We're paying customers, not clueless kindergarteners.

Although I often ride in sleepers I have little tolerance for the way Amtrak chooses to treat their paying coach passengers.

I've been bossed at by Amtrak staff at only to be apologized to when they see I have a sleeper ticket.

What possible explanation can Amtrak have for that sort of severe attitude disparity?

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 06:07 PM

Yes, Obey... DURING THE SEATING PROCESS.... Seriously. I have found that doing this little step makes or breaks an Amtrak trip. . I like to think of the seating process like a mandatory "Life Boat Drill" on a cruise ship if it makes you feel better. Everyone must obey during this little initial period, then after that point, you may request whatever you like from the crew for the remainder of the cruise. If the seating process stresses the Coach Attendant the most, why make it even more diffucult for him/her?


What actually really gets on my nerves are the people that are sitting in your assigned seat as soon as you board. As far as I am concerned the coach attendant is my friend, the passengers in the wrong seat are not following the GOLDEN RULE, and making things difficult for everyone. They are usually my problem, not the coach attendant.


Of course, when I travel by sleeper, there is no need for the GOLDEN RULE..... Just coach.....

Obey? Seriously?





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